Darren/conditional purity???????

October 7, 1999

In a message dated 10/6/99 9:57:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

colette writes:

<< Wondering,

Col

>>

Dear Col:

Darren may or may not have a "terminal illness." We all have a terminal

illness--life/death.

So, I do not respect the act of using that as a cover for emotional or

strange behavior.

Further, you see others as all goodness and light because that is your nature

and we love that about you. But you are not trying to alter everyone else's

beliefs, shotgun the lists with responses to comments that are out of context

and were not approved by the persons he was quoting, and you are not making

judgments and then asking for help/criticizing and crying at the same time

and trying to make a big dramatic fuss, either.

Darren is playing with your emotions and those of others on all of these

lists. He is seeking to play games, in my humble opinion, not seek answers

or guidance for his woes. Why ask questions for help and then toss it all

back at people and then try to spout off about how he has all the answers to

diet, faith, practice, meditation, etc.?

Do not be naive. Darren is not a little child in need of rescuing, despite

his play for that attention.

I am not some evil, hostile gnome. Not yet. But I have superb BS detection

equipment installed by DARPA and it has been just buzzing since Darren has

begun his crusade.

Read Darren's detailed questionnaire that he sent to me. Does this seem like

a discussion or exchange of ideas or does it look like someone setting a trap

with prepared counter arguments?

Darren is not a little lamb. I am not a little lamb. Darren best be careful

because some lambs are actually wolves and have sharp teeth and claws.

I did not start this critical exchange, I have simply been dragged into it

because my comments were seen as non indulgent.

Guess what? I am a non indulgent sort of person. Hysteria moves me not at

all. I have rescued people from wrecked cars and I am trained in CPR, etc.

Panic and hysteria are the enemy and I have little or no tolerance for them.

I have taken care of both of my parents, seen them through terminal illnesses

and buried them both. I am not without compassion, forgiveness, love and

empathy. But neither of my parents indulged in hysteria or panic and neither

did I. As an only child, I had no brothers or sisters to assist me in this

difficult work. I was young, only 31 when my mother passed away, and my

father had died two years earlier of cancer. My mother had congenital heart

failure, and I saw her gradually weaken and understood that the most comfort

I could give was to assure her that I would be all right. I know that sounds

peculiar, but if you knew my mother, you might understand. This was the only

way that she could be at peace and be restful...knowing that I was

fine...that I would be OK and that Pam, my wife at that time was OK.

Actually, we had already decided to divorce, since she did not want to have

children and I wanted children, but we had agreed to wait until after my

mother had gone on, to ease her transition a bit. I always appreciated this,

but otherwise dealing with "sick people" was not Pam's cup of tea and she was

not the warm demonstrative type toward older folks...so all was left in my

hands.

A long response. You make comments about my nature, but you do so

without knowing my nature fully. Assume nothing. I am complex and tolerant

of many things, but too busy and too concerned with the suffering of children

worldwide to get all teary eyed over Darren. It's sad. A lot of things are

sad.

But I have known children with terminal illnesses that have more courage and

dignity and do not go around trying to convince people of how they have all

the answers.

I'll tell you both the answer. Grace and compassion. Not self pity, not

superiority or hysteria. Calm, thoughtful, measured grace. Some elk and

deer have this when a predator has trapped them. They do not panic and they

do not complain. They know that their moment is upon them. They accept it,

because

that is the way. I have faced surgeries, risked my life ballooning, hiking,

traveling, working in the worst parts of LA, facing guns and bullets, and I

am no foolish hero, taking absurd risks, but I know that I can be depended on

in an emergency. If you should ever need me for some crisis, whatever my

many faults, I won't crack under pressure and I will see you safely through.

Well, I have now offended probably 16 million people on the list. Normally

it might be a hundred, but Darren will forward this to his list of a thousand

lists...

Blessings

Love,

Zenbob

October 7, 1999

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 ZEN2WRK wrote:

> ZEN2WRK

>

> In a message dated 10/6/99 9:57:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> colette writes:

>

> << Wondering,

>

> Col

> >>

> Dear Col:

>

> Darren may or may not have a "terminal illness." We all have a terminal

> illness--life/death.

>

yes, life is a terminal disease, and its sexually transmitted (john

clese orginal quoter here, not me )

October 7, 1999

Zenbob, you're my kinda guy!

With love,

Mira

*Mirror*

http://welcome.to/mirror

> Dear Col:

>

> Darren may or may not have a "terminal illness." We all have a terminal

> illness--life/death.

>

> So, I do not respect the act of using that as a cover for emotional or

> strange behavior.

>

> Further, you see others as all goodness and light because that is your

nature

> and we love that about you. But you are not trying to alter everyone

else's

> beliefs, shotgun the lists with responses to comments that are out of

context

> and were not approved by the persons he was quoting, and you are not

making

> judgments and then asking for help/criticizing and crying at the same time

> and trying to make a big dramatic fuss, either.

>

> Darren is playing with your emotions and those of others on all of these

> lists. He is seeking to play games, in my humble opinion, not seek

answers

> or guidance for his woes. Why ask questions for help and then toss it all

> back at people and then try to spout off about how he has all the answers

to

> diet, faith, practice, meditation, etc.?

>

> Do not be naive. Darren is not a little child in need of rescuing,

despite

> his play for that attention.

>

> I am not some evil, hostile gnome. Not yet. But I have superb BS

detection

> equipment installed by DARPA and it has been just buzzing since Darren has

> begun his crusade.

>

> Read Darren's detailed questionnaire that he sent to me. Does this seem

like

> a discussion or exchange of ideas or does it look like someone setting a

trap

> with prepared counter arguments?

>

> Darren is not a little lamb. I am not a little lamb. Darren best be

careful

> because some lambs are actually wolves and have sharp teeth and claws.

>

> I did not start this critical exchange, I have simply been dragged into it

> because my comments were seen as non indulgent.

>

> Guess what? I am a non indulgent sort of person. Hysteria moves me not

at

> all. I have rescued people from wrecked cars and I am trained in CPR,

etc.

> Panic and hysteria are the enemy and I have little or no tolerance for

them.

> I have taken care of both of my parents, seen them through terminal

illnesses

> and buried them both. I am not without compassion, forgiveness, love and

> empathy. But neither of my parents indulged in hysteria or panic and

neither

> did I. As an only child, I had no brothers or sisters to assist me in

this

> difficult work. I was young, only 31 when my mother passed away, and my

> father had died two years earlier of cancer. My mother had congenital

heart

> failure, and I saw her gradually weaken and understood that the most

comfort

> I could give was to assure her that I would be all right. I know that

sounds

> peculiar, but if you knew my mother, you might understand. This was the

only

> way that she could be at peace and be restful...knowing that I was

> fine...that I would be OK and that Pam, my wife at that time was OK.

> Actually, we had already decided to divorce, since she did not want to

have

> children and I wanted children, but we had agreed to wait until after my

> mother had gone on, to ease her transition a bit. I always appreciated

this,

> but otherwise dealing with "sick people" was not Pam's cup of tea and she

was

> not the warm demonstrative type toward older folks...so all was left in my

> hands.

>

> A long response. You make comments about my nature, but you do so

> without knowing my nature fully. Assume nothing. I am complex and

tolerant

> of many things, but too busy and too concerned with the suffering of

children

> worldwide to get all teary eyed over Darren. It's sad. A lot of things

are

> sad.

>

> But I have known children with terminal illnesses that have more courage

and

> dignity and do not go around trying to convince people of how they have

all

> the answers.

>

> I'll tell you both the answer. Grace and compassion. Not self pity, not

> superiority or hysteria. Calm, thoughtful, measured grace. Some elk and

> deer have this when a predator has trapped them. They do not panic and

they

> do not complain. They know that their moment is upon them. They accept

it,

> because

> that is the way. I have faced surgeries, risked my life ballooning,

hiking,

> traveling, working in the worst parts of LA, facing guns and bullets, and

I

> am no foolish hero, taking absurd risks, but I know that I can be depended

on

> in an emergency. If you should ever need me for some crisis, whatever my

> many faults, I won't crack under pressure and I will see you safely

through.

>

> Well, I have now offended probably 16 million people on the list.

Normally

> it might be a hundred, but Darren will forward this to his list of a

thousand

> lists...

>

> Blessings

> Love,

>

> Zenbob

>

> > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Nowhere is Now Here. All

paths, places, and sights and perceptions exist only in the Space of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Here. You are not

"in" the now. You Are the Now! Here is Home. Home is where True Rest Is.

Home is where the Heart Is. It is the Seer resting in the Seer, the

Self-Nature, the Buddha Nature, or call it what you will. The Radical Truth

is Radiance of Awareness. It is both the path, process, and the goal. It is

Finality of Being without any support. It is Total Independence and Ever

Present. The Truth of the Self needs no psychological or spiritual crutches.

It needs no philosophy, no religion, no explanation, no teaching, and no

teacher, and yet It is always their support. A true devotee relishes in the

Truth. The Truth of Self-Knowledge which is Pure Intelligence. Welcome all

to a.