Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 Thank you Zenbob and Andrew for your recent brilliant humor and the discussion on sins of omission and emission (Bob Weil) was most enlightening. Great advice Dharma and Linda and others to Darren. What great poetry from David Bozzi! Which reminds me. What do you think about Brewer's yeast David? For those who don't know, David Bozzi, Aleks, and Jan are some of our respected experts on healthy living. All comments on Brewer's yeast are welcome here as it would be nice to explore the health benefits of this product. Previously we have spoken of the benefits of whey protein and prohormones and strength training. Thanks Dan (He is our man!) and Jan, Gloria, Gene and Geovani and Antoine, and Greg, for your brilliant and compassionate wisdom and totally tremendous insights. Hey Gene, I am glad you won't submit! I think it is fantastic that Zenbob will not submit either! Hulk Hogan is on his way to try his new submission holds on you guys :-). Let us thank Jan, Mira, Chris, Diana, Patrick, Holmes, TG, Dan, Nora, Dirk, Jill, Eric, Jay, Michel, Ivan, Tony, Raven, Christopher, Colette, Dharma, Gloria, Janpa, Max, Bruce, David, Annette, Tim, Gill, Tony, Linda, Gene, Gloria, Jerry, Chris, Antoine, Jelke, Holly, and so many others for your sharing in silence and in words and your many wise posts, sometimes beautiful poetry, and insights. We are around 150 members or so. As you all know, the foundation of this list is built on the Satsangha based on the philosophy of divine love and nonviolence. All discussions are in that context. In this world, where conflict, struggle and wars have been the rule, there have been sages such as Mahavir who have explicitly stated that Non-violence is the cardinal principle to live by if one wants to give peace and attain peace. Buddha has emphasized compassion. In Hinduism, Ahimsa is considered the first principle of the spiritual life. Ramana Maharshi, the great sage of Arunachala has clearly stated, Ahimsa Param Dharma which means that nonviolence is the supreme religion. Nonviolence is the most beautiful expression and manifestation of the unconditioned recognition of the Nature of Reality. We have brilliant and wise people moderating the list in silence. Here are some quotes from two of them (Jan and Greg). Love to all Harsha Jan's quote at the end by Purohit Swami is very beautiful and profound. Jan: After some four months of witnessing, something happened that all of a sudden brought a most pleasant kind of happiness. The full realization of it became a full time target; all other activities were automatically scaled down to background processing. After an eight months "adventure with K." it was clear that "effort & work" had ended. At that time I had found Purohit Swami’s translation and commentary of the Patanjali Sutras and according to him spiritual knowledge should be renounced too*. This took some unusual " hard work", after which peace was uninterrupted. It still isn’t "the end of the road" but nothing it left that cares about that.Life is easy indeed, Purhohit Swami: "Worldly power is intoxicating; spiritual power is more intoxicating; but when the yogi refuses to be drawn into it, his mind refuses to love and hate, accepts what comes without effort, as the result of past karma. There is no new desire, no new fuel to feed the fire, the last embers are fast dying out, reduced to cold ashes, the last impressions on the mind die out, and the mind finds its rest in Self, dissolves itself in Self, loses its identity, loses its personality, becomes Self itself." Greg Goode : If we investigate closely, we just might find that experiences do not happen through the body. That the body is not something that serves as a conduit for experience-it is ITSELF nothing more than experiences. It is experienced as sensations, feelings and thoughts. And where do these sensations, feelings and thoughts happen? Not in or through the body, not anywhere in fact. Totally non-localized. Any localization is itself just an experience. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 Greg Goode : If we investigate closely, we just might find that experiences do not happen through the body. That the body is not something that serves as a conduit for experience-it is ITSELF nothing more than experiences. It is experienced as sensations, feelings and thoughts. And where do these sensations, feelings and thoughts happen? Not in or through the body, not anywhere in fact. Totally non-localized. Any localization is itself just an experience. geovani: ...and, because our brain, thoughts, are extremly uncomfortable (using soft words) with such unlocalized existence, we must posit a conteiner. Some call it pure perception, others centerless awareness, others Mind, others Self.....but in fact, only when any positing concerning localization, natue of existence, or some abstract conteiner/mind is abandoned...that what is....is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 At 01:15 PM 10/8/99 , geovani wrote: >Greg Goode : If we investigate closely, we just might find that experiences >do not happen through the body. That the body is not something that serves >as a conduit for experience-it is ITSELF nothing more than experiences. It >is experienced as sensations, feelings and thoughts. And where do these >sensations, feelings and thoughts happen? Not in or through the body, not >anywhere in fact. Totally non-localized. Any localization is itself just an >experience. > >geovani: ...and, because our brain, thoughts, are extremly uncomfortable >(using soft words) with such unlocalized existence, we must posit a conteiner. >Some call it pure perception, others centerless awareness, others Mind, >others Self.....but in fact, only when any positing concerning >localization, natue of existence, or some abstract conteiner/mind is >abandoned...that what is....is. Geovani, That is beautiful, especially the last sentence. But let me say two things - one, it's more uncomfortable for the body/brain/mind when they *are* seen as the container. Believing and feeling that these things are the container is where the restrictions and contractions and the trapped energy go - to maintaining the illusion that these things contain and control our experiences. But actually the body/mind/brain are nothing more than experiences themselves, occurring in unlocalized silence. Two, about what is being what is - it doesn't really depend upon the psychological event of the container being abandoned. What is, is, NOW, regardless of thoughts or feelings or whatever. It's already the case everywhere, all the time NOW. We have always BEEN what-is. But seeing the container as broken amounts to SEEING what is. But we could say that the container was always broken... Love, --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 Hi Greg & everyone. This is very interesting for me what you have written. Now what do you say about about the experience of pain? Some say it is just a sensation and stop labelling it pain. Some say becoming one with everything might mean unstressing for all. (This would be a good one for Dharma) Some say realised Gurus get sick when war starts on planet somewhere (or their body does, maybe like a sore somewhere or something) Yet they are not confined to that localisation so it is planetary body (collective). In other words their 'body' now covers collective, not confined to human form. Did Ramana ever say anything about this? Just playing, Col Greg Goode wrote: > At 01:15 PM 10/8/99 , geovani wrote: > >> Greg Goode : If we investigate closely, we just might find that >> experiences >> do not happen through the body. That the body is not something that >> serves >> as a conduit for experience-it is ITSELF nothing more than >> experiences. It >> is experienced as sensations, feelings and thoughts. And where do >> these >> sensations, feelings and thoughts happen? Not in or through the >> body, not >> anywhere in fact. Totally non-localized. Any localization is itself >> just an >> experience. > >> one, it's more uncomfortable for the body/brain/mind when they *are* >> seen as the container. Believing and feeling that these things are >> the container is where the restrictions and contractions and the >> trapped energy go - to maintaining the illusion that these things >> contain and control our experiences. But actually the >> body/mind/brain are nothing more than experiences themselves, >> occurring in unlocalized silence. Two, about what is being what is >> - it doesn't really depend upon the psychological event of the >> container being abandoned. What is, is, NOW, regardless of thoughts >> or feelings or whatever. It's already the case everywhere, all the >> time NOW. We have always BEEN what-is. But seeing the container as >> broken amounts to SEEING what is. But we could say that the >> container was always broken... > > > Love, > > --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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