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In a message dated 10/08/1999 6:21:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

carrea writes:

 

<<

Wonder what a new born wipes out in his first experience of his first

breath, what some call also the "primal cry". This "flash-enlightement"

of felling oxygen burn the cells in the lungs for the first time, must

reduce the "before" to something to insignificant and must explain why

some have no problem to live only in the "air", forgetting about their

direct aquatic link to flesh, and so own to "Home".

>>

I remember my son being born,

it was like Light and Love incredible filled the room,

and as i held him to my breast, there was this

gentle instant, ah, yes, i am home and he drank

as though he'd always known how...

he never cried and it is very exquisite this

new born from water to air... :-)

 

L*L*L

~ Rainbo ~

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Jan Barendrecht wrote:

 

The theory is

> that the duration of an experience is neglected by memory;

> there is undue influence by the most intense moments and by

> the endings. So 90 seconds of pain (both 14 and 15 C is rather

> cold), ending less severe is recollected as better than

> suffering 60 seconds. This suggests inbuilt biases like

> compressing time, giving undue weight to peak moments and the

> way an experience ends.

>

> It explains why a few peak experiences outweigh the boredom of

> many holidays offered by mass-tourism and why for mountaineers

> the few moments "on top" outweigh the many hours of hardships.

> It also explains, why "flash-enlightenment" reduces the

> "before" to something insignificant and explains why "after"

> some have no problem to live of life that could be called

> ascetic.

>

> Jan

 

Wonder what a new born wipes out in his first experience of his first

breath, what some call also the "primal cry". This "flash-enlightement"

of felling oxygen burn the cells in the lungs for the first time, must

reduce the "before" to something to insignificant and must explain why

some have no problem to live only in the "air", forgetting about their

direct aquatic link to flesh, and so own to "Home".

 

They seems to always be a fear to go back in the water when you forgot

to breath in it. Ha! this tricky memory...

 

Antoine

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RainboLily wrote:

> carrea writes:

>

> <<

> Wonder what a new born wipes out in his first experience of his first

> breath, what some call also the "primal cry". This "flash-enlightement"

> of felling oxygen burn the cells in the lungs for the first time, must

> reduce the "before" to something to insignificant and must explain why

> some have no problem to live only in the "air", forgetting about their

> direct aquatic link to flesh, and so own to "Home".

> >>

> I remember my son being born,

> it was like Light and Love incredible filled the room,

> and as i held him to my breast, there was this

> gentle instant, ah, yes, i am home and he drank

> as though he'd always known how...

> he never cried and it is very exquisite this

> new born from water to air... :-)

> ~ Rainbo ~

 

I remember falling in the water before the age of six month, and

remembering how to live under water. All this fuss that was made by the

adults pulling me out and bringing me to the hospital to see if i was

ok, after staying an half an hour under water, if i remember correctly

(The schrodinger cat paradox, who will let it's baby under water 30

minutes? or admit it even unconsciouly? and what happens if the baby

becomes aware from the same mind "box", as his parent, that he was under

water 30 minutes?). The baby, of a few months, organism does remember

how to pull it's oxygen from the dan dien, the "cauldron" in the

stomach. Been experimented with rats.

 

Sometimes, i wonder, why it forgets, with time... Sometimes it remembers

that there are no rocks and that the air that it breaths fells like the

primal water.

 

Floating on the waves looking at the wonderful sunset, the breathing

fish.

 

Antoine

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On 10/8/99 at 6:20 PM Antoine wrote:

>Antoine <carrea

>

>Jan Barendrecht wrote:

>

> The theory is

>> that the duration of an experience is neglected by memory;

>> there is undue influence by the most intense moments and by

>> the endings. So 90 seconds of pain (both 14 and 15 C is

rather

>> cold), ending less severe is recollected as better than

>> suffering 60 seconds. This suggests inbuilt biases like

>> compressing time, giving undue weight to peak moments and

the

>> way an experience ends.

>>

>> It explains why a few peak experiences outweigh the boredom

of

>> many holidays offered by mass-tourism and why for

mountaineers

>> the few moments "on top" outweigh the many hours of

hardships.

>> It also explains, why "flash-enlightenment" reduces the

>> "before" to something insignificant and explains why

"after"

>> some have no problem to live of life that could be called

>> ascetic.

>>

>> Jan

>

>Wonder what a new born wipes out in his first experience of

his first

>breath, what some call also the "primal cry". This

"flash-enlightement"

>of felling oxygen burn the cells in the lungs for the first

time, must

>reduce the "before" to something to insignificant and must

explain why

>some have no problem to live only in the "air", forgetting

about their

>direct aquatic link to flesh, and so own to "Home".

 

If the burning first breath would be all, it wouldn't be that

bad; it is likely that the first touch is such a burn as well.

No doubt these experiences can be the first trauma, so indeed

the "before" is almost wiped out. I vaguely remember there are

methods of birthing where these traumas are avoided; one was

giving birth in water :)

>

>They seems to always be a fear to go back in the water when

you forgot

>to breath in it. Ha! this tricky memory...

>

>Antoine

 

At least, knowing a bit how memory works, gives an explanation

why it is so difficult to leave samadhis for what they are,

not desiring them to be repeated; they are peak-experiences

and when mixed with personality, rather addictive. Siddhis

have to be seen in the same way; peak-experiences of

"achieving", therefore difficult to ignore.

 

Jan

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