Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 In a message dated 10/08/1999 6:21:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, carrea writes: << Wonder what a new born wipes out in his first experience of his first breath, what some call also the "primal cry". This "flash-enlightement" of felling oxygen burn the cells in the lungs for the first time, must reduce the "before" to something to insignificant and must explain why some have no problem to live only in the "air", forgetting about their direct aquatic link to flesh, and so own to "Home". >> I remember my son being born, it was like Light and Love incredible filled the room, and as i held him to my breast, there was this gentle instant, ah, yes, i am home and he drank as though he'd always known how... he never cried and it is very exquisite this new born from water to air... :-) L*L*L ~ Rainbo ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 Enlightened Fish *g* Floating on the waves looking at the wonderful sunset, the breathing fish. Antoine ~ Rainbo ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 Jan Barendrecht wrote: The theory is > that the duration of an experience is neglected by memory; > there is undue influence by the most intense moments and by > the endings. So 90 seconds of pain (both 14 and 15 C is rather > cold), ending less severe is recollected as better than > suffering 60 seconds. This suggests inbuilt biases like > compressing time, giving undue weight to peak moments and the > way an experience ends. > > It explains why a few peak experiences outweigh the boredom of > many holidays offered by mass-tourism and why for mountaineers > the few moments "on top" outweigh the many hours of hardships. > It also explains, why "flash-enlightenment" reduces the > "before" to something insignificant and explains why "after" > some have no problem to live of life that could be called > ascetic. > > Jan Wonder what a new born wipes out in his first experience of his first breath, what some call also the "primal cry". This "flash-enlightement" of felling oxygen burn the cells in the lungs for the first time, must reduce the "before" to something to insignificant and must explain why some have no problem to live only in the "air", forgetting about their direct aquatic link to flesh, and so own to "Home". They seems to always be a fear to go back in the water when you forgot to breath in it. Ha! this tricky memory... Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 RainboLily wrote: > carrea writes: > > << > Wonder what a new born wipes out in his first experience of his first > breath, what some call also the "primal cry". This "flash-enlightement" > of felling oxygen burn the cells in the lungs for the first time, must > reduce the "before" to something to insignificant and must explain why > some have no problem to live only in the "air", forgetting about their > direct aquatic link to flesh, and so own to "Home". > >> > I remember my son being born, > it was like Light and Love incredible filled the room, > and as i held him to my breast, there was this > gentle instant, ah, yes, i am home and he drank > as though he'd always known how... > he never cried and it is very exquisite this > new born from water to air... :-) > ~ Rainbo ~ I remember falling in the water before the age of six month, and remembering how to live under water. All this fuss that was made by the adults pulling me out and bringing me to the hospital to see if i was ok, after staying an half an hour under water, if i remember correctly (The schrodinger cat paradox, who will let it's baby under water 30 minutes? or admit it even unconsciouly? and what happens if the baby becomes aware from the same mind "box", as his parent, that he was under water 30 minutes?). The baby, of a few months, organism does remember how to pull it's oxygen from the dan dien, the "cauldron" in the stomach. Been experimented with rats. Sometimes, i wonder, why it forgets, with time... Sometimes it remembers that there are no rocks and that the air that it breaths fells like the primal water. Floating on the waves looking at the wonderful sunset, the breathing fish. Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 On 10/8/99 at 6:20 PM Antoine wrote: >Antoine <carrea > >Jan Barendrecht wrote: > > The theory is >> that the duration of an experience is neglected by memory; >> there is undue influence by the most intense moments and by >> the endings. So 90 seconds of pain (both 14 and 15 C is rather >> cold), ending less severe is recollected as better than >> suffering 60 seconds. This suggests inbuilt biases like >> compressing time, giving undue weight to peak moments and the >> way an experience ends. >> >> It explains why a few peak experiences outweigh the boredom of >> many holidays offered by mass-tourism and why for mountaineers >> the few moments "on top" outweigh the many hours of hardships. >> It also explains, why "flash-enlightenment" reduces the >> "before" to something insignificant and explains why "after" >> some have no problem to live of life that could be called >> ascetic. >> >> Jan > >Wonder what a new born wipes out in his first experience of his first >breath, what some call also the "primal cry". This "flash-enlightement" >of felling oxygen burn the cells in the lungs for the first time, must >reduce the "before" to something to insignificant and must explain why >some have no problem to live only in the "air", forgetting about their >direct aquatic link to flesh, and so own to "Home". If the burning first breath would be all, it wouldn't be that bad; it is likely that the first touch is such a burn as well. No doubt these experiences can be the first trauma, so indeed the "before" is almost wiped out. I vaguely remember there are methods of birthing where these traumas are avoided; one was giving birth in water > >They seems to always be a fear to go back in the water when you forgot >to breath in it. Ha! this tricky memory... > >Antoine At least, knowing a bit how memory works, gives an explanation why it is so difficult to leave samadhis for what they are, not desiring them to be repeated; they are peak-experiences and when mixed with personality, rather addictive. Siddhis have to be seen in the same way; peak-experiences of "achieving", therefore difficult to ignore. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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