Guest guest Posted October 11, 1999 Report Share Posted October 11, 1999 In a message dated 10/11/1999 5:45:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, berkowd writes: << Although Qabala goes to great lengths to address this, the final result is an inexplicable Being. There just isn't any way around this, from my perspective. Wisdom involves being able to surrender to, enjoy, accept, and *be* this inexplicability... >> Hi Dan, I write this with some trepidation as I don't want to send us both into another one of those <wiping prespiration/sweat from brow sessions> but- she says, walking the razor's edge ... although the intellectual insight into the Qabalah is enormously useful while travelling the Tree, the Tree is about experiencing the energy aspects of "All." Very few Qabalists, alive or dead have made it to the experience of Kether, the light behind the light, although there are a few here who have experienced this in depth, not just lightly touching the energy but who touched the pulse. Dying so as to live, so to speak realistically. Just clarifying ... Please do feel free to jump in anyone, <most engaging dimples flashing in case it helps> L*L*L ~ Rainbo ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 1999 Report Share Posted October 11, 1999 Harsha - I posted a letter referring to a synchronicity between your post and my previous letter to Glo. This would make a lot more sense if the letter I had posted were available. Apparently, my letter was sent to Glo's private address, and she has now given me permission to present it to the list. The moment, I surmise, may now be lost. Yet, being relatively compulsive, and never one to give up simply because a task is futile, I will do my best to clear this up (in case anyone is wondering). I suppose this is now synchronicity in reverse, which perhaps is in the same class of events as predetermined spontaneity. To make sure there is something worthwhile in this current letter, I decided to reveal my part of a dialogue I had with my teacher in a previous life: Compulsive student interviewing with roshi: "Roshi, I know I've got it this time. I really mean it. I'm sorry for requesting this interview so late in the day, but I know I've really got it. I know last time I thought I had it and I didn't, but I really do now. I mean, this is it, honest." Dan Glo wrote: >Hi Dan!! > >Appreciate the bopping message...would you mind getting around to this one >when you have time? D: Time seems to be happening all at once at the moment. Perhaps I can get around to it in no time at all. >G: Perhaps it does not seem to you to be asking anything, >yet I guess I am "soliciting" opinion on satsangs..tho it was more discussed >on the NDS. I am hearing some contrast here with your "already enlightened" >(tho don't know it?) statements. D: Uh oh. I hope I'm not being inconsistent. After all, to be taken seriously I should be able to take a multidimensional simultaneous reality and present it in a linear systematic statement that sums up all of its reality. Or maybe I'll just acknowledge my inadequacy and hum "bop she bop she bop" instead? :-) On a little more serious note (remember, I did say "little") I will do my best, and would like to hear your "take" on this as well... It is a wonderment how, if One and All is "already enlightened" there can be so much apparent confusion and mischief (as well as eight deadly sins, and Wayne Newton singing in Las Vegas? Talk about contrasts!! The age-old "problem of evil") The best way I can make sense of this (and yes, I've also said there is no making sense of it) is to view the "already enlightened" aspect of being as Unconditional and our usual mode of operation as resistance to and reaction to perceived conditions. By resisting and reacting, we inevitably need to "repress" the Unconditional aspect of Being, which just gets in the way by being continually "outside of the box". To unrepress the Unconditional is to "give up" one's attempt to manage conditions, give up on existing as a being going through conditional experiences (i.e., getting better, having things, going somewhere, having experiences). This view seems to explain a lot, but it doesn't explain how the Unconditional brings forth conditional realities. Although Qabala goes to great lengths to address this, the final result is an inexplicable Being. There just isn't any way around this, from my perspective. Wisdom involves being able to surrender to, enjoy, accept, and *be* this inexplicability... I'm not claiming that I'm imparting wisdom, by the way, and I'm not claiming to know what I'm talking about, either. I feel either of those claims would not only be premature, but would be impossible to boot :-) >Sometimes it seems that the "instant >enlightenement" of satsangs IS about removing obstacles to see one's already >enlightened. Glo - I don't see this in terms of right and wrong, like it's wrong to go to satsangs and right to watch your navel at home. My perspective is that "here you are." If "here" is at a satsang, fine. If it's in one's living room, or at a ball game, also fine. The awareness of all things as instantaneously present really can't be stated, understood, expressed - it's all that is. Can one take in Infinity in an instant? This is what seems to be involved. Not only can one do this, one already *is* this. The clearing away of the obstacles - that makes sense to a point. Past that point, there is nothing to clear away and no one to do the clearing. So, at that point, listening to a wave crashing on the beach might be as instructive as a satsang. What to do with this freedom? I guess go to a satsang, walk on the beach, wherever you go, "here you are." Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 1999 Report Share Posted October 12, 1999 Dear Rainbo, Your openness to discussion is much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 1999 Report Share Posted October 12, 1999 "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd Harsha - I posted a letter referring to a synchronicity between your post and my previous letter to Glo. This would make a lot more sense if the letter I had posted were available. Apparently, my letter was sent to Glo's private address, and she has now given me permission to present it to the list. Glo - I don't see this in terms of right and wrong, like it's wrong to go to satsangs and right to watch your navel at home. My perspective is that "here you are." If "here" is at a satsang, fine. If it's in one's living room, or at a ball game, also fine. The awareness of all things as instantaneously present really can't be stated, understood, expressed - it's all that is. Can one take in Infinity in an instant? This is what seems to be involved. Not only can one do this, one already *is* this. The clearing away of the obstacles - that makes sense to a point. Past that point, there is nothing to clear away and no one to do the clearing. So, at that point, listening to a wave crashing on the beach might be as instructive as a satsang. What to do with this freedom? I guess go to a satsang, walk on the beach, wherever you go, "here you are." Love, Dan Thanks Dan for sharing your brilliant private correspondence with Gloria. I guess the synchronicity is that your wisdom shines both in private and in public! Satsang means keeping the company of Truth/Self. You and Gloria rightly point our that since we are That, we are in Eternal Satsang. Gloria explains it well in her incredible poetry. Ice is on Fire! Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 1999 Report Share Posted October 13, 1999 Hi Dan, >After all, to be taken >seriously I should be able to take a multidimensional simultaneous reality >and present it in a linear systematic statement that sums up all of its >reality. Then take no one seriously... because no one can do that! Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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