Guest guest Posted October 15, 1999 Report Share Posted October 15, 1999 In a message dated 10/12/99 12:19:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, berkowd writes: << There are too many leaders and not enough wandering lovers of truth, too many preachers and not enough poets. And Harsha, I'm going to rob Peter to pay Paul back... >> And then Dan? What about Mary? We extolled the virtues of the Bop she Bop and the Blobettes...but with Peter being robbed and Paul being paid pack, what about Proud Mary and that lovely dragon rascal, Puff? We need to set our priorities, but we also must be mindful of our fantasies...of which I am often criticized for, even though most of my fantasies are far more real than most people's realities. Only those who indulge in a rich fantasy life can live to enjoy a thoroughly beautiful inner life. If I see the world as terrifying, I live in fear, if I see it as amazing and wonderful, I live in joy... Duality...nonduality. The dreamer cannot be separated from the dream, the singer from the song or the river from the rain. I read your comments and those of Jan and I am giddy with laughter. Although you are both intelligent and perceptive, you will not meet at a middle point. Dan, I understand your comments a bit better...you anchor your wit with logical parallels...Jan...you wander in and out of solipsism so comfortably that I worry. Nonduality is not the same as believing that you are the universe. Nonduality is believing that all things are unified as part of a Universal Constant or Ongoing Thought. As such, when the lion eats the lamb, the lamb has pain and discomfort and does not desire to be eaten. The lion feels joy and satisfaction. In the universe of Nonduality all are equalities of experience being known by the One Thought. It does not mean, however that each of us should willingly "lie down for the lion." And don't give me crap about my "fantasy." There is a principle here that you, Jan, need to face. You do not act in the highest regard for anyone but yourself...because as much as you attempt to be "non-dual" your perceptions and emotions spring forth from your own loci in space time. If threatened by a lion, thug or madman behind the wheel of a car chasing you, you will run, not merely lie down and cease being dualistic. Common sense should not be thrown out with the syllogisms. Words are the opiates of the masses. We keep mistaking the word for the thing. You need to deal with the nature of things, Jan, not just the word symbols. Anyone can claim that all things are "one" but that is verbal over simplification. The nature of the universe is beyond our realm of total understanding and when we attain moments of non duality and unity with the universe, that is all well and good...but in daily life, we function as the event horizon of our very own black hole... We are like microuniverses unto ourselves. Our thinking is like unto the Great One Cosmic Non-Dual thinking...in that we are composed of billions of cells which Act Together to Think as if we were just a single entity. This is the analogy of how all creatures and things in the universe make up the total nondual cosmic mind/being/event. But, when we act as local universes, we act in our own best interests, which is both natural and necessary for our continued existence in such a state...which everyone claims they would just love to leave behind, but fiercely refuse to close the curtain on "prematurely." As the old saying goes, "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one is rushing to be the first in line, just yet." Blessings Love, Zenbob And the Blobettes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 1999 Report Share Posted October 16, 1999 Forgive me for asking, Jan, but what the hell was that all about??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 1999 Report Share Posted October 16, 1999 (() Your monkey mind (() I am your mind and I complain I hope this time it’s not in vain You fix me up with thoughts that do not mix But worst of all, the stormy thoughts will not provide a fix In filling up the mind you say you’re feeling well But I say: you’re giving me a bloody hell When filling up you really don't behave But worst of all, I was not built to a be holodecky's cave I am your mind and I do not approve your choice of mental food Unless you listen I will put you in a lousy mood If I run riot you will wind up at a funny farmers club Why, monkey, do you treat me as if I'm just a preta loka pub? Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 1999 Report Share Posted October 16, 1999 Hi Zenbob, >As the old saying >goes, "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one is rushing to be the first >in line, just yet." My grandfather used to say, "Everyone will get to heaven eventually, but some people will have a hell of a time getting there." Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 1999 Report Share Posted October 16, 1999 On 10/16/99 at 9:31 AM INSprofess wrote: >INSprofess > >Forgive me for asking, Jan, but what the hell was that all about??? Just a parody on a dual capuchin monkey type of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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