Guest guest Posted October 16, 1999 Report Share Posted October 16, 1999 >Zenbob: What about Mary? We extolled the virtues of the Bop she Bop >and the Blobettes...but with Peter being robbed and Paul being paid pack, >what about Proud Mary and that lovely dragon rascal, Puff? Dan: Good point, Zenbob. I'm sure you're talking about Mother Mary calling to me in my time of trouble. I hope she's calling me to Strawberry Fields Forever. >ZB: I read your comments and those of Jan and I am giddy with laughter. Although >you are both intelligent and perceptive, you will not meet at a middle point. > Dan, I understand your comments a bit better...you anchor your wit with >logical parallels... D: I'm glad I brought some laughter into your life, Zenbob. In fact, I'm so glad, I'm so glad, I'm glad I'm glad I'm glad. I don't even feel a need to meet anyone anywhere. That's how glad I am. :-) > Zenbob: Nonduality is not the same as believing that you are the >universe. Dan: Yes. Nonduality is not the same as anything. It's not even believing you are nothing. > ZB: Nonduality is believing that all things are unified as part of a >Universal Constant or Ongoing Thought. As such, when the lion eats the lamb, >the lamb has pain and discomfort and does not desire to be eaten. The lion >feels joy and satisfaction. In the universe of Nonduality all are equalities >of experience being known by the One Thought. It does not mean, however that >each of us should willingly "lie down for the lion." D: Thanks for sharing your beliefs about nonduality. I enjoy the energy of your letters. You express with ferocity -- I understand your affinity for lions. :-) The lion and the lamb will each follow their nature. This is easy enough to observe. "When hungry eat, when sleepy sleep," is how the lion does it. Shall we presume to know a better way for the lion to behave? Nature has the ability to absorb the lion's hunger and the lamb's pain when meal-time occurs. And nature goes on... there's no sentimentality to it. "When the lion lies down with the lamb" is clearly a metaphorical statement about awareness, in my book, certainly not a naturalistic observation of "external" realities. Nonduality, to me, is seeing that the lion can follow the lion's nature, the lamb the lamb's nature, you your Zenbob nature, me my Danielsan nature, and nothing is "out of place" anywhere. >ZB: We are like microuniverses unto ourselves. Our thinking is like unto the >Great One Cosmic Non-Dual thinking...in that we are composed of billions of >cells which Act Together to Think as if we were just a single entity. This >is the analogy of how all creatures and things in the universe make up the >total nondual cosmic mind/being/event. DB: I get a good feeling from reading this. It's difficult to describe the Total Event from a position within that Event itself. Your welcome attempt to do this serves as a pointer to the Totality That Is - truely beyond any description - and well-worth pointing to (as everything ultimately does). >ZB: >But, when we act as local universes, we act in our own best interests, which >is both natural and necessary for our continued existence in such a >state...which everyone claims they would just love to leave behind, but >fiercely refuse to close the curtain on "prematurely." As the old saying >goes, "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one is rushing to be the first >in line, just yet." D: Honestly I'm really interested in finding that line... just let me finish this drink first :-) If I act in my perceived best interest, I can provide a "grounding" for the "energy of heaven," a place for that energy to flow through... It's the orientation of the "container" toward That which animates it, moves through it, can't ever be truly contained -- that's the ticket in my book. It's the opening and the openness that's worth looking into. Also in my book, there's nothing wrong with "selfishness" -- I've seen more people suffer from the imposed views of others who condemn "selfishness" than I've seen from people acting in their perceived "best interests." "we're all doing what we can" John Lennon --- with love --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 1999 Report Share Posted October 16, 1999 Hi Dan, >>Z: >>As the old saying >>goes, "Everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one is rushing to be the first >>in line, just yet." > >D: Honestly I'm really interested in finding that line... just let me >finish this drink first :-) There's no line... you can still be the first. >If I act in my perceived best interest, I >can provide a "grounding" for the "energy of heaven," a place for that >energy to flow through... It's the orientation of the "container" toward >That which animates it, moves through it, can't ever be truly contained -- >that's the ticket in my book. Don't try to contain it... ground your feet in the earth and your head in the sky, and let it flow through. >It's the opening and the openness that's >worth looking into. Don't look into it... just open. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 1999 Report Share Posted October 17, 1999 In a message dated 10/16/99 12:22:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, berkowd writes: << D: Honestly I'm really interested in finding that line... just let me finish this drink first :-) If I act in my perceived best interest, I can provide a "grounding" for the "energy of heaven," a place for that energy to flow through... It's the orientation of the "container" toward That which animates it, moves through it, can't ever be truly contained -- that's the ticket in my book. It's the opening and the openness that's worth looking into. Also in my book, there's nothing wrong with "selfishness" -- I've seen more people suffer from the imposed views of others who condemn "selfishness" than I've seen from people acting in their perceived "best interests." "we're all doing what we can" John Lennon --- with love --- >> I am in complete accord with your conclusions, as far as I can determine. Your comments on the "nature of the lion" and the "nature of the lamb" are quite correct. I implied this, and you made this explicit. (Shocking!) I would not seek to change any of these natures, either. I am merely pointing out that the dualism resides in these facets...and that the whole cannot be other than as it is with each facet acting as they must. Therein, as I suggested, is the crux of the "individuated" self and he/she/me/you/us/them/et al perspective that must exist in order to support the world we exist in. For the record, I too am having a drink first before joining that line for the nether regions, and invite you and others to share with me...I think I'll drink from the flagon or vat, just to be sure I get my full measure. Blessings Love, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 1999 Report Share Posted October 19, 1999 In a message dated 10/16/99 5:04:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fisher1 writes: << Don't try to contain it... ground your feet in the earth and your head in the sky, and let it flow through. >It's the opening and the openness that's >worth looking into. Don't look into it... just open. >> Dear Dharma: I grok this in fullness. Well said. My head is usually in the clouds, in any case, and at least one foot on the ground. As the other heals, it too, shall join it's lonely monopod in caressing the earth fully. Love, Blessings, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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