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Ashoka Raj wrote:

> The question of finding happiness is simple yet difficult.

> I agree that no formula will suffice. Still, insights of others may be useful.

I look

> forward to communications here.

 

 

We only seek for what is not here.

How far is happiness from here?

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>Sir, thank you for responding. The question of finding happiness

is simple yet difficult. I agree that no formula will suffice. Still,

insights of others may be useful. I look forward to communications here.

 

 

I pondered on this enlightening question for quite a while. Of course, I

couldn't come up with any answer since I'm not happy all the time. So I had

to look at when I was happy, and what was the cause of that.

 

I see that I'm happy when I am doing what I love to do... it doesn't matter

what it is -- EVEN to the extent of doing something I wouldn't normally like

to do, but I'm doing it for another reason, which would be love.

 

An example of that would be, one Christmas I got myself in some deep debt.

After Christmas, checks started bouncing, and I knew I had to do something

quick. I hadn't worked for quite awhile as I truly enjoy retirement. But, I

did what I had to do. I got a job, and it was wonderful! I payed off my

debts after about 3 months, enjoying every minute of the time spent working.

About that same time my bills were paid off, I lost interest in working and

it wasn't fun anymore. And so I quit.

 

Happiness is doing what you love. In that particular case, I loved to pay

off my debts, so no matter what I did to accomplish this, it would bring me

happiness.

 

I feel we are Love, and when we are being who we truly are, then we can't

help but be happy. Because we are love, the only way to express this love

is to create with love... do what makes us happy, which is doing what we

would love to do, no matter the form. Being and doing, then, are the same.

 

Glad you are here with us Ashok. I've been enjoying your posts!

 

Love,

xxxtg

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>Sir, thank you for responding. The question of finding happiness

is simple yet difficult. I agree that no formula will suffice. Still,

insights of others may be useful. I look forward to communications here.

 

 

I pondered on this enlightening question for quite a while. Of course, I

couldn't come up with any answer since I'm not happy all the time. So I had

to look at when I was happy, and what was the cause of that.

 

I see that I'm happy when I am doing what I love to do... it doesn't matter

what it is -- EVEN to the extent of doing something I wouldn't normally like

to do, but I'm doing it for another reason, which would be love.

 

An example of that would be, one Christmas I got myself in some deep debt.

After Christmas, checks started bouncing, and I knew I had to do something

quick. I hadn't worked for quite awhile as I truly enjoy retirement. But,

I

did what I had to do. I got a job, and it was wonderful! I payed off my

debts after about 3 months, enjoying every minute of the time spent working.

About that same time my bills were paid off, I lost interest in working and

it wasn't fun anymore. And so I quit.

 

Happiness is doing what you love. In that particular case, I loved to pay

off my debts, so no matter what I did to accomplish this, it would bring me

happiness.

 

I feel we are Love, and when we are being who we truly are, then we can't

help but be happy. Because we are love, the only way to express this love

is to create with love... do what makes us happy, which is doing what we

would love to do, no matter the form. Being and doing, then, are the same.

 

Glad you are here with us Ashok. I've been enjoying your posts!

 

Love,

xxxtg

 

Thank you soul sister xxxtg for your kind and thoughtful response. I will

reflect over all that you have said. Actually, the question of happiness is

not pressing me too much at this time. It comes and goes. I suffer sometimes

from the unhappiness of others as I do not wish to see people in sorrow.

After much thought though, I am unable to come to a conclusion on why there

is much suffering in the world, including my own. The human condition seems

to be a difficult one and not under our control. This is hard to overlook.

Thank you again xxxtg.

 

Namaste

A

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Hi Ashok!

 

It would seem to me that happiness is a state of mind, just like unhappiness

is a state of mind. More importantly, happiness and unhappiness are both

relative terms!

You say you would like to be happy, and the question is happier than whom?

Happier than what?

 

Things like love, material goods and all may bring gratification and

temporary pleasures, but it is doubtful they bring happiness. I heard Ross

Perot once say that money or material goods never never brought him

happiness.

 

So the search for happiness, my friend, must begin with you with a genuine

introspection as to why you are unhappy. Logic would seem to dictate that

if

you remove the causes of your unhappiness, you will be more happier. But

life's circumstances are generally such that one needs continuously to work

toward getting happiness, and maintaining that level of happiness.

 

In effect, what I am saying is that only YOU can know what makes you happy

and unhappy and, therefore, only YOU can decide what you have to do to get

a

state of happiness you desire.

 

Navneet

 

Thank you soul brother for your excellent analysis of the situation. You

raise some thought provoking points. Yes. Ultimately, it is up to all of us

to pursue happiness in our own way and remove the cause of unhappiness. Lord

Buddha spoke about this also. How to remove the cause of unhappiiness by

following the noble path. The 8 step noble path is hard to practice all the

time.

 

I apologize to everyone. I seem to be taking too much attention from

everyone here like a small child. Thank you for the kindness. I will be

quiet for a while.

 

Namaste

A

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Hi Ashok!

 

It would seem to me that happiness is a state of mind, just like unhappiness

is a state of mind. More importantly, happiness and unhappiness are both

relative terms!

You say you would like to be happy, and the question is happier than whom?

Happier than what?

 

Things like love, material goods and all may bring gratification and

temporary pleasures, but it is doubtful they bring happiness. I heard Ross

Perot once say that money or material goods never never brought him happiness.

 

So the search for happiness, my friend, must begin with you with a genuine

introspection as to why you are unhappy. Logic would seem to dictate that if

you remove the causes of your unhappiness, you will be more happier. But

life's circumstances are generally such that one needs continuously to work

toward getting happiness, and maintaining that level of happiness.

 

In effect, what I am saying is that only YOU can know what makes you happy

and unhappy and, therefore, only YOU can decide what you have to do to get a

state of happiness you desire.

 

Navneet

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"Jan Barendrecht" <janb

 

 

 

On 10/20/99 at 8:02 AM Ashoka Raj wrote:

>"Ashoka Raj" <ashokaraja

>

>I have come to learn from you. Your wisdom will be my guide

and my friend. I

>wish to find happiness, perhaps like what many of you have

found. How does

>one find happiness? Teach me.

>

>In humility

 

I guess you're after unconditional happiness, which means

happiness that doesn't have a cause and consequently won't

have an end. Think of unconditional happiness "the other way

around": who would care to go on living "as usual" when

unconditionally happy? Life would grind to a halt completely,

with all creatures just belly gazing :) So there is a reason

why unconditional happiness isn't accessed at the flick of a

switch. Finding that happiness reminds of the muddy pond with

rotting leaves etc., stirred up by the winds of thoughts and

emotions. When the winds subside and the mud has sunk, a piece

of the bottom can be seen and it appears to be made of the

purest gold. Then, a big clean up follows, taking many years.

 

Jan

 

Thank you soul sister! We are in this mud together! I welcome your call to

clearance of the rotting leaves stirred by thoughts and emotions and seeing

the purest gold. May the big cleanup be soft and gentle.

 

Namaste

A

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In a message dated 10/22/1999 9:09:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

janb writes:

 

<< Finding that happiness reminds of the muddy pond with

rotting leaves etc., stirred up by the winds of thoughts and

emotions. When the winds subside and the mud has sunk, a piece

of the bottom can be seen and it appears to be made of the

purest gold. Then, a big clean up follows, taking many years. >>

 

I love this!! Spiritual work as a giant dredging/reclaimation project.

Bring on the bucket loaders! H.

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On 10/20/99 at 8:02 AM Ashoka Raj wrote:

>"Ashoka Raj" <ashokaraja

>

>I have come to learn from you. Your wisdom will be my guide

and my friend. I

>wish to find happiness, perhaps like what many of you have

found. How does

>one find happiness? Teach me.

>

>In humility

 

I guess you're after unconditional happiness, which means

happiness that doesn't have a cause and consequently won't

have an end. Think of unconditional happiness "the other way

around": who would care to go on living "as usual" when

unconditionally happy? Life would grind to a halt completely,

with all creatures just belly gazing :) So there is a reason

why unconditional happiness isn't accessed at the flick of a

switch. Finding that happiness reminds of the muddy pond with

rotting leaves etc., stirred up by the winds of thoughts and

emotions. When the winds subside and the mud has sunk, a piece

of the bottom can be seen and it appears to be made of the

purest gold. Then, a big clean up follows, taking many years.

 

Jan

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Ashoka Raj wrote:

> I have come to learn from you. Your wisdom will be my guide and my friend. I

> wish to find happiness, perhaps like what many of you have found. How does

> one find happiness? Teach me.

>

> In humility

 

Your humility brings joy to my heart, thank you for the happiness you

share.

 

Antoine

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I just love the colors you put in the back grounds, each email with the

title "Request" comes like a little surprise to open, just for the

color. Thank you for the smile you bring to my heart, each time i open

one the request emails, i want my color :)

 

In all childhood,

Antoine

 

Ashoka Raj wrote:

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>Antoine <carrea

>

>Ashoka Raj wrote:

>

> > I have come to learn from you. Your wisdom will be my guide and my

>friend. I

> > wish to find happiness, perhaps like what many of you have found. How

>does

> > one find happiness? Teach me.

> >

> > In humility

>

>Your humility brings joy to my heart, thank you for the happiness you

>share.

>

>Antoine

>

 

Thank you Antoine. I can imagine your big smile.

 

A

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  • 6 years later...

The robes are obtained through whatever Order the monk is associated

with. The protocols for the clothing worn is quite sacred and a

delicate matter. Appropriating a vestige which is not authorized can

cause an act of great disrespect . Usually the robes are made from

inside the Order, and there is a ranking involved.

 

Apparently the cloths do not come from a mill, may be hand woven and

then dyed which makes them quite individual. This is not a commercial

activity and is not something one orders as from a catalog. The robes

have great spiritual significance.

 

In order to make such connections I recommend that you go through a

Guru of the Dalai Lama's Order who can answer your question more

directly and correctly. My searches on the internet led me to the

above answer.

 

 

 

 

, michael bindel

<michael_bindel wrote:

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> Dear members

>

> could you please let me know how the colour of the cloth DALAI

LAMA wears is called and where it is possible to order cloth in this

colour?

>

> all the best to all of you

>

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> michael bindel

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