Guest guest Posted October 24, 1999 Report Share Posted October 24, 1999 In a message dated 10/24/1999 10:01:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fisher1 writes: << But why would they be? Why would clearing more karmic stuff result in more access to early memories... and clearer memories? Does anybody have any ideas? >> Intense emotional states tend to open doors to memories of experiences happening in similar states. Grieving offers the opportunity to mourn all previous losses as well as the current one. Similarly, trauma victims with dissociated memories often recall fragments of the trauma when placed in like situations, e.g., sexual abuse when making love with contemporary partners. People have also been known to recover memories during high fevers. Some have speculated that our emotional systems have evolved in order to facilitate the memory holograph. I've had your experience repeatedly since K awakening. Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 1999 Report Share Posted October 24, 1999 In a message dated 10/24/99 9:01:24 AM Central Daylight Time, fisher1 writes: << Why would clearing more karmic stuff result in more access to early memories... and clearer memories? Does anybody have any ideas? >> Perhaps less Ego to filter or repress memories. In dzogchen (ati yoga) - once one attains the state of Primoridal Mind (buddhahood) permanenetly - then nothing is hidden. A Buddha is Aware of everything in all times. That is one way of looking at anyway <g> diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 1999 Report Share Posted October 24, 1999 Hi All, Last night I was feeling sad, feeling some grief... it's hard to clear something that's still on-going, and this is. Then early this morning I was meditating, and I thought about all that and gave it all to Goddess, cleared it as well as I could, from every cell of the body. Then I started remembering things... a bulb, a rubber painted bulb... I think there's more than one of those in my memory... but I got it clearly as a toy... there was a tube from the bulb, and it was a kind of little pump toy. I used to play with it in my sandbox in the backyard... I could make a big hole... or a lake... in the sand, and then squeeze the bulb and pump water into it. Everything I remembered seemed to be clearer... I was seeing more... when I looked at the ground, I saw more of what was there. I spent quite a while remembering all sorts of things... it was wonderful! I can't be sure these two things are connected, but it seemed like it. But why would they be? Why would clearing more karmic stuff result in more access to early memories... and clearer memories? Does anybody have any ideas? Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 1999 Report Share Posted October 24, 1999 Hi Holly, ><< But > why would they be? Why would clearing more karmic stuff result in more > access to early memories... and clearer memories? Does anybody have any > ideas? >> > >Intense emotional states tend to open doors to memories of experiences >happening in similar states. Grieving offers the opportunity to mourn all >previous losses as well as the current one. I had a very happy childhood, and I was remembering happy things. But I do know of one grief in early childhood... a little boy I used to play with was killed in an accident. And since I don't know exactly how old I was then, it might relate... >Similarly, trauma victims with >dissociated memories often recall fragments of the trauma when placed in like >situations, e.g., sexual abuse when making love with contemporary partners. >People have also been known to recover memories during high fevers. Some >have speculated that our emotional systems have evolved in order to >facilitate the memory holograph. I've had your experience repeatedly since K >awakening. That's fascinating!! Memory seems essential to the I-consciousness... at least to its development in this life. So that seems to give a "reason" for having the emotional system. But wouldn't the connection of emotions and memory go back to the reptile brain... at least in terms of pain/pleasure, seeking/avoiding, etc.? I keep thinking there's a connection with "serpent" Kundalini and the reptile brain... I'm kind of rambling here... does this make any sense? Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1999 Report Share Posted October 25, 1999 In a message dated 10/24/1999 4:54:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fisher1 writes: << But wouldn't the connection of emotions and memory go back to the reptile brain... at least in terms of pain/pleasure, seeking/avoiding, etc.? I keep thinking there's a connection with "serpent" Kundalini and the reptile brain... >> You're absolutely right, Dharma. Also about the emotion-memory system facilitating I-consciousness. I does seem to follow that K would affect this system as it instigates higher awareness but I don't know how or why. Clinically, I would often see rushes of recovered memories as people grew in awareness -- no matter how conscious they were to begin with. Funny that this keeps happening till the point where personal memories become irrelevant. Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1999 Report Share Posted October 25, 1999 Holly: Some > >have speculated that our emotional systems have evolved in order to > >facilitate the memory holograph. I've had your experience repeatedly since K > >awakening. Dharma: > That's fascinating!! Memory seems essential to the I-consciousness... at > least to its development in this life. So that seems to give a "reason" > for having the emotional system. > > But wouldn't the connection of emotions and memory go back to the reptile > brain... at least in terms of pain/pleasure, seeking/avoiding, etc.? I > keep thinking there's a connection with "serpent" Kundalini and the reptile > brain... Emotions tend to be felt more and more as sensations to me personally. They seem to lie, in the rainbow of our being, someplace in between the sensation of odors and the sensation of touch. In that way of seeing, emotions becomes a way of feeling. Emotions seems to travel between humans as hormones within a body, as a way of communication between the organs of the body. In the same way as _pheromone_ seem to be a form of communication within a specie (like ants communicating via the odors they receive from their antennas, a complex prolongation of their small nervous system). One could say that emotions seem to travel like odors, the effect of them being tied pretty much on our culture we are _mold_ on, our "nose" for them, that we can transform more and more to the environment, as the mind we identify to comes to become aware that it already does listen to it. The serpent as a symbol for kundalini is interesting on the biological level as well. A serpent is mostly one organ, a bunch of cell, in line with a spine. It's use of hormones within, inside the body, is limited, for it has small organs in proportion to all its similar cells that form its body. Yet it's venom (odor or emotion or hormone or pheromone), to interact with the outside of its body, is deadly, no in between. The sensation of heat and cold are its primary sensations. One could say that the serpent is a binary memory, for all within as been assimilated around the spine and all without is either neutral or something to kill and assimilate in the organism. A perfume from a walking flower, Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 1999 Report Share Posted October 25, 1999 On 10/25/99 at 12:54 PM Hbarrett47 wrote: >Hbarrett47 > >In a message dated 10/24/1999 4:54:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >fisher1 writes: > ><< > But wouldn't the connection of emotions and memory go back to the reptile > brain... at least in terms of pain/pleasure, seeking/avoiding, etc.? I > keep thinking there's a connection with "serpent" Kundalini and the reptile > brain... >> > >You're absolutely right, Dharma. Also about the emotion-memory system >facilitating I-consciousness. I does seem to follow that K would affect this >system as it instigates higher awareness but I don't know how or why. >Clinically, I would often see rushes of recovered memories as people grew in >awareness -- no matter how conscious they were to begin with. Funny that >this keeps happening till the point where personal memories become >irrelevant. Holly K. is linked to the entire sensory system and every bit of it is becoming objectified; this indicates an increase of recallable events from memory. The fact that "personal" slides into irrelevance simultaneously isn't a coincidence: one could remark that repressive society causes impressions of don't's, should nots, shame, guilt, fear etc. in the mind of the vulnerable child, paralyzing spontaneous association and expression. It is even reflected in body postures and the way of moving around; non relaxed muscles are an indication of mental tension but the reverse is also true. Well treated pets are excellent Hatha yoga teachers Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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