Greg/this is it

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In a message dated 10/30/1999 4:29:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

berkowd writes:

 

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>>Greg:

There are two features of progressive paths: One, you never get to the end

of them (like Zeno's paradoxes or cutting a piece of paper in half, and in

half again, you never get to zero paper, etc.) Two, even if you do succeed

in clearing all the progressive dust, the metaphysics of progressive paths

leave you with (1) the one who was vigilant, and (2) all the stuff that

fell away. This is a witness state, and not non-dualism. But of course,

it always is non-dualism. For progressive paths to really come to the end,

sooner or later they have to go through the (non)gate of the direct path.

So why wait??

 

D: Yes - it's so damn demanding. It demands everything. Ouch. Better

to hold something back for "later"... for "more" ... for

"better"

>>D: The paradox here, as I see it, is that the awareness toward which I

see you pointing involves much more depth than might at first be apparent.

At

least, that has been my experience. It involves real clarity, not getting

"caught," not being fooled (by words, practices, all the ways that people

insinuate, persuade, or insist that "this alone" isn't enough, that "who I

am" isn't enough).

>>>Your experience, mine too. As for the gradual paths and practices,

their purpose is so we will see that they were never necessary.

 

With love,

 

--Greg

 

D: I like that. I remember an old T.V. show with Redd Foxx - he used

to hold a hand over his heart, shake, and say

"This is the big one. This is it. O.K. Take me". -- with love --

>>

R:

... the perfume of the walking flower rises inside the rainbow..

 

There is a feature of infinity. To point to the obvious it's >>>infinite.

 

There is a feature of the Western mind. "I have arrived." I won the

prize, the goal, the Ph.D. (in general, not specifically said), I got "IT."

This strikes me as a feature of Nondualism.

 

As, Jerry posted from Raphael's material, this is definitely the Advaita

path but it's limited by the very .====. beginning and end of its

vision. Like looking at the sky and pop, my vision stops ::::::>l there.

 

So, although, I may know that I know "it," there is more than just "it,"

to know ... I know the sound of music, that is the sound of a flute, or

a violin, or a piano, I know the vision of the waves of color, that is green,

that is blue, I know the mystic vision, that all is love and i am in it, and

i know one or two other things, but I don't know everything, I don't know

all of the nature of God, I don't know all the music ever to be in the

universe, I don't know colors which I have seen my vision literally go

blind trying to see, so, I know there is much I don't know and probably

much to learn even after I die ... so, for me, NonDuality looks like a line

with a point ... a very Apollonian perspective, and, I would ask as

Ramakrishna asked "Where am I?"

 

I am in the moment, what else is in the moment.. how much awareness,

cognitive awareness...

 

Finding that there is a limiting "it," to nonduality, I know "it" but I no

longer think "it" the only thing to know ...

 

Although, I confess, with love i want One, not multiples, and no mountain

sharing *g* and i would like the mountain to stop coming and going, but

that's probably too much to ask ...

 

One Mountain Surrounded by Gentle Air,

~ Rainbo ~

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>>Greg:

There are two features of progressive paths: One, you never get to the end

of them (like Zeno's paradoxes or cutting a piece of paper in half, and in

half again, you never get to zero paper, etc.) Two, even if you do succeed

in clearing all the progressive dust, the metaphysics of progressive paths

leave you with (1) the one who was vigilant, and (2) all the stuff that

fell away. This is a witness state, and not non-dualism. But of course,

it always is non-dualism. For progressive paths to really come to the end,

sooner or later they have to go through the (non)gate of the direct path.

So why wait??

 

D: Yes - it's so damn demanding. It demands everything. Ouch. Better

to hold something back for "later"... for "more" ... for "better"

>>D: The paradox here, as I see it, is that the awareness toward which I

see you pointing involves much more depth than might at first be apparent. At

least, that has been my experience. It involves real clarity, not getting

"caught," not being fooled (by words, practices, all the ways that people

insinuate, persuade, or insist that "this alone" isn't enough, that "who I

am" isn't enough).

>>>Your experience, mine too. As for the gradual paths and practices,

their purpose is so we will see that they were never necessary.

 

With love,

 

--Greg

 

D: I like that. I remember an old T.V. show with Redd Foxx - he used

to hold a hand over his heart, shake, and say

"This is the big one. This is it. O.K. Take me". -- with love --