Guest guest Posted October 31, 1999 Report Share Posted October 31, 1999 >R: >.. the perfume of the walking flower rises inside the rainbow.. > >There is a feature of infinity. To point to the obvious it's >>>infinite. > >There is a feature of the Western mind. "I have arrived." I won the >prize, the goal, the Ph.D. (in general, not specifically said), I got "IT." >This strikes me as a feature of Nondualism. D: Then end "nondualism" - it's in the way of infinity. Then end "infinity" as it's now in the way. End anything that can be ended, anything that makes a statement or counters a statement. Then end the "ending" as that is in the way now. Now. Now. Now. Then let go of any thought of a "now" ... and let go of any thought of letting go ... >R: >As, Jerry posted from Raphael's material, this is definitely the Advaita >path but it's limited by the very .====. beginning and end of its >vision. Like looking at the sky and pop, my vision stops ::::::>l there. D: True. >R: So, although, I may know that I know "it," there is more than just "it," >to know ... I know the sound of music, that is the sound of a flute, or >a violin, or a piano, I know the vision of the waves of color, that is green, >that is blue, D: All of these begin and end. What is it that is not an it, doesn't begin and end? >R: I know the mystic vision, that all is love and i am in it, and >i know one or two other things, but I don't know everything, I don't know >all of the nature of God, D: God doesn't have a nature that can be known. God is only "All". No knower possible. No progressive knowing possible. No getting better and better at it or having more and more of God. No beginning or ending - thus no "arriving" no "having it" also no "getting more and more of it" >R: I don't know all the music ever to be in the >universe, I don't know colors which I have seen my vision literally go >blind trying to see, so, I know there is much I don't know and probably >much to learn even after I die ... so, for me, NonDuality looks like a line >with a point ... a very Apollonian perspective, and, I would ask as >Ramakrishna asked "Where am I?" D: Nonduality as a perspective is simply another perspective. End it. The perspectiveless highway - who will walk there? Who can take a position in "nothing", who can say a true word about it? >R: I am in the moment, what else is in the moment.. how much awareness, >cognitive awareness... > >Finding that there is a limiting "it," to nonduality, I know "it" but I no >longer think "it" the only thing to know ... D: I remember our conversation about *knowing* as *unknowing* and *unknowing* as *knowing* -- at that "point", for me, it simply doesn't fit to view it in terms of "something" to know, or "other things" to know or that can be known... >R: Although, I confess, with love i want One, not multiples, and no mountain >sharing *g* and i would like the mountain to stop coming and going, but >that's probably too much to ask ... D: One, infinitely One - One within One within One - All in each and each in all - boundaries that are no boundaries - infinity that is hidden in specific "things" - One/None that changes "everything" by showing no beginning or end to "anything." Nothing ultimately separable - no start or finish to this moment, to this being, to this awareness that we erroneously label "now" ... -- with love -- Dan R: Will tell you that I have been told this before. Last Summer went to see a Guru Dev, he said, "why are you here? You do not need healing." Then, "oh, I see you have blown open de 10th gate" (you have to do all of this with a French, Italian, Indian overlaid on English accent, it was very, very funny, we laughed enormously). Anyway, he said, "okay, lay down, we are going to do some balance." He worked on my energies, I sat back up and he gave me a meditation to close the third eye, which has been too open for too long. And, then he said, "stop seeking. You know that you know, why do you keep seeking?" He laughed and said, "stop with the seeking, Stop Stop." But, I love to explore, explore the worlds of energy, of experience. So, to be as honest as I can be, or as honestly as I can perceive at this moment now I cannot see the reason to stop, i would be bored, and i love my play... so, why stop? If you know, do tell *g*! I will say that in chat yesterday, Being, rather took my mind into a whirlpool, and new windows opened into why stop ... so, maybe you all will get this newbie through the window yet *g* Much Love*Light*Laughter, ~ Rainbo ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 1999 Report Share Posted October 31, 1999 >R: >.. the perfume of the walking flower rises inside the rainbow.. > >There is a feature of infinity. To point to the obvious it's >>>infinite. > >There is a feature of the Western mind. "I have arrived." I won the >prize, the goal, the Ph.D. (in general, not specifically said), I got "IT." >This strikes me as a feature of Nondualism. D: Then end "nondualism" - it's in the way of infinity. Then end "infinity" as it's now in the way. End anything that can be ended, anything that makes a statement or counters a statement. Then end the "ending" as that is in the way now. Now. Now. Now. Then let go of any thought of a "now" ... and let go of any thought of letting go ... >R: >As, Jerry posted from Raphael's material, this is definitely the Advaita >path but it's limited by the very .====. beginning and end of its >vision. Like looking at the sky and pop, my vision stops ::::::>l there. D: True. >R: So, although, I may know that I know "it," there is more than just "it," >to know ... I know the sound of music, that is the sound of a flute, or >a violin, or a piano, I know the vision of the waves of color, that is green, >that is blue, D: All of these begin and end. What is it that is not an it, doesn't begin and end? >R: I know the mystic vision, that all is love and i am in it, and >i know one or two other things, but I don't know everything, I don't know >all of the nature of God, D: God doesn't have a nature that can be known. God is only "All". No knower possible. No progressive knowing possible. No getting better and better at it or having more and more of God. No beginning or ending - thus no "arriving" no "having it" also no "getting more and more of it" >R: I don't know all the music ever to be in the >universe, I don't know colors which I have seen my vision literally go >blind trying to see, so, I know there is much I don't know and probably >much to learn even after I die ... so, for me, NonDuality looks like a line >with a point ... a very Apollonian perspective, and, I would ask as >Ramakrishna asked "Where am I?" D: Nonduality as a perspective is simply another perspective. End it. The perspectiveless highway - who will walk there? Who can take a position in "nothing", who can say a true word about it? >R: I am in the moment, what else is in the moment.. how much awareness, >cognitive awareness... > >Finding that there is a limiting "it," to nonduality, I know "it" but I no >longer think "it" the only thing to know ... D: I remember our conversation about *knowing* as *unknowing* and *unknowing* as *knowing* -- at that "point", for me, it simply doesn't fit to view it in terms of "something" to know, or "other things" to know or that can be known... >R: Although, I confess, with love i want One, not multiples, and no mountain >sharing *g* and i would like the mountain to stop coming and going, but >that's probably too much to ask ... D: One, infinitely One - One within One within One - All in each and each in all - boundaries that are no boundaries - infinity that is hidden in specific "things" - One/None that changes "everything" by showing no beginning or end to "anything." Nothing ultimately separable - no start or finish to this moment, to this being, to this awareness that we erroneously label "now" ... -- with love -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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