Glo/The Mystery

[Guest guest]

> >Jim: Yup, Jim's Church of Skeptical Believers

>

> Glo: I respect and value this approach..with so much malarkey out there in

> the name of religion, skepticism can help sort the chaff from the wheat.

> You wouldn't be from the "show me" state perchance? Jim, when being a

> detective searching for clues..what witnesses can you trust? I mean I am

> running out of time to re-invent the wheel here myself.

 

Jim: Very perceptive of you Gloria, I am from the show me state, we're a tough

room. I value the opinions of others because they often give me insight into

my own ideas. I have never really been able to make them 100% real though, the

gap between me and others seems quite wide, so thier witnessing is of passing

usefulness. yes.

> It really helps me if you can

> get specific and speak directly to what is the main question or issue for

> you right now? ( Okay, I admit I

> was pretty silly myself, just trying to be friendly.) Maybe it's just me, I

> am sorta at a loss what the beehive concept might mean in terms of its

> implications to you, Jim. "As if"...then what???

> >

 

Jim: Maybe I'm just trying to predict the future, who knows. I don't pretend

to come to any conclusions about these things, consciousness, collective

consciousness, or the mind of bees. I just like to look, conclusions seem

to be pretty etherial, slipping right away into another question.

> >> snip

> >

>

> >> Or just skip it. If you want my unsupported opinion, I would answer yes

> to

> >> your last question, if you don't force me to explain why and how. :)

> Our

> >> collective conscious knowledge "seems" to evolve in ways similar to

> >> biological forms. Does greater complexity all by itself seem to be a goal

> to

> >> you?

> >

> >Jim: I hope not, I'm trying to simplify. It all sort of boils down to the

> >question of order from chaos. I am a well oiled machine until I die, then

> >entropy sets it. 'Life' holds entropy at bay, and makes order from chaos

> like

> >there's no tomorrow.

>

> You must be around 50, or else ahead of the timetable. It all sorta boils

> down to death, doesn't it?

 

Jim: Boo, it's Halloween and were talking about death..spooky:) Actually I'm

a pup of 33 who's trying to figure out where he is.

> It sure seems like there's somebody at the helm to

> me.

> >Are we part of a larger conscious organism composed of human cells? What

> >would it's higher self be like? Is there a complexity level that must be

> reached

> >before consciousness is achieved? A possible explanation for what

> complexity is

> >trying to achieve. Hive mind?

> >

> >A Bee in my bonnet

> >Jim

> >

> Glo: Bee-ing only a drone myself, rumors of the Unseen Queen we serve are

> difficult to substantiate. However, I do know the hive and my fellow

> bee-ings, who distill this "nectar of the gods" into the finest honey. Is

> the Great Struggle Entropy vs. Life? Or are maybe

> Life and Entropy working together on some 3rd alternative as yet unnamed? It

> fascinates me

> to ponder how all the ingredients and chemicals which "make life" are in

> themselves inert chemicals. Those clever little atoms, what will they get up

> to next? Jim, you might want to ask some of the smart people here your

> difficult questions. Quite honestly, I gave up on all this sort of

> metaphysical and teleological speculation quite some time ago. What's here

> now is enough to keep me busy. I would only ask you what difference would it

> make to you if you could know what the universe is trying to achieve, if

> anything? Again, what if..then so what? Its not that I have no sympathy for

> this very human wish to know enough to feel more secure, yet maybe its about

> becoming more comfortable with the unknown, the mystery..

>

> Here's a little bee poem for you

>

> Come slowly, Eden!

> Lips unused to thee,

> Bashful, sip thy jasmines,

> As the fainting bee,

>

> Reaching late his flower,

> Round her chamber hums,

> Counts his nectars - enters,

> And is lost in balms!

>

> ~Emily Dickinson~

 

Jim: Very beautifull. I feel a lot like that bee, fortunate to be amoung

flowers.

The Mystery, yes, it's so pervasive. Apply energy to a crystal and it sings,

an endless cycle of waves emitted into space. The migration of the birds, the

tide,

the sun and the stars. There's something inside me I can't name, I want to

express

it and it slips away.

 

lost in thought

Jim