Guest guest Posted November 2, 1999 Report Share Posted November 2, 1999 Hi again, Rainbow wrote: "I have received beauty beyond compare from people here in this circle and in other circles, do not underestimate the incredible brilliance of both genius and spirituality among the beautiful souls gathered here." Already this is true for me as well. But I know there is so much more. And seeking is not required? How do I ask? Who do I ask? Does asking even make sense at this point? Perhaps your advice to me would also be to know myself first? Lynne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 Janpa, This computer here contains diamonds of texts which I do not share, as I share with my son my jewels to play with because he cherishes them, I do not throw them into the street. I have been invited to go to Israel where many world religious leaders are meeting and I cannot go, including the Dalai Lama, I have no time. I have not responded to your email, not because I need Mike to speak for me, but because I have no time. Growing up in a home where people spoke seven root languages, where Latin was a root language and French and Italian and Spanish were derivatives, I was graced by many sacred texts, but all the words in the world won't replace energy. And, there are many on this list who I write to, who write to me privately who read the energy of the email, and not the words. Your sincerity is evident. But I shared that text, not Mike, and I shared it with Glo, who requested it in a graceful, elegant and beautiful manner. Psychological growth must be resolved before spiritual growth can begin and as others have seen, I will withdraw and send you within and withup to meet the Divine within yourself. Know Thyself. To you and to others who seek to challenge, don't bother, it will receive no response from me, I have no time, nor inclination to toss diamonds. Did you know the Dalai Lama's occultist is online? In asking with humility, I have received beauty beyond compare from people here in this circle and in other circles, do not underestimate the incredible brilliance of both genius and spirituality among the beautiful souls gathered here. Yes, smile, Mike, I noticed Tara was not Green, how unfortunate we do not focus on the text instead. To Light, ~ bo ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 >I for one, would be much interested in the Indian system of Tara. Only>have met her from the Tibetan Buddhist side. >maitri,--janpa Hello Janpa: Tara is one of the Ten Wisdom Godesses of Tantric Yoga and is considered an aspect of Kali the Mother. Specifically, Tara is considered Kali's first transformation. If considering Kali as time and life which are both related to sound current (shabda shakti) or the Divine Word this power is Tara. Tara relates to the 3rd of 4 stages of speech, Pashyanti, the state of the perceptive or illumined words. This Divine or illumined word is the truth that will cross us over the water of darkness of Samsara. In this aspect Tara is considered the Goddess of consciousness itself and relates to Tara being the Savioress. The term Tara means the deliverer or savior, taken from the root Sanskrit word tri, meaning to "take across", as to take across a river or any difficult situation. Many call upon the Goddess Tara in emergencies or at crossroads for guidance. There is a strong relationship between Tara and Om. Om, of course, is the power of sound known as pranava or the original vibration. Tara (in the masculine form of the word) in an old Vedic word for Om or the God Siva, who is known as Rudra or the resounder, relating to the transformative power of the Divine Word. In the Vedas Om is called Tara or Taraka, the deliverer because it can takes us across the ocean of ignorance. Therefore, Tara is the feminine form of Om or Om personified as a Godess. Being one of the 10 Wisdom Godesses there are many layers and signications of Tara. She can be aligned with Durga who also takes us through difficulties however, Tara will actually move one beyond them. The ultimate difficulty is of course, our own minds, and the aspect of Divinity known as Tara provides within us the means to move beyond the turbulence of our thought currents which can be viewed as fragmentations of Divine sound or word. Within our subtle bodies Tara is an energy that moves from the manipura chakra to the Ajna Chakra. An outward representation of Tara will color her deep blue similar to Kali. For Kali the deep blue represents unmanifested time while Tara represents unmanifested sound. She has matted hair and 8 serpents which relate to eight siddhis. She carries scissors which symbolize her ability to cut off all attachments, she carries a lotus flower which symbolizes an open heart. At times Tara is represented as white relating to her transcendend immaculate form. Therefore she is dark blue in her descent into nature.. Her primary mantra is Om but she also posses a five syllable mantra: Om hrim strim hum phat. While Tara is considered to be the Goddess of mantra she is also at the root of all unmanifested sound....the silence that leads us the the Atman or Self. I do not know much about the Buddhist Tara but would be interested to know if She relates to or shares the qualities of the Tantric Tara. Namaste, Linda // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 LC, Thanks for this information on the tantric Tara. Interesting to see the differences about the Tara traditions. Amanda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 i'm not an expert, but... Tara in Tibetan systems is in one aspect an outer tantric deity. She is in her green aspect possessing 2 arms, seated with her right leg extended off of her lotus seat as if she's about to rise. Her 2 arms represent the 2 truths, absolute and relative. She has her right hand extended in the gesture of supreme giving, and her left hand at her heart in three jewel mudra. She is born of Avolokiteshvara's tears. Her sister is White Tara. (one born from one tear, and one of the other.) Green Tara is compassion in action. White Tara protects life and longevity. The great Yogini Yeshe Tsogyal, consort to Guru Padmasambhava, was an aspect of Tara. Green Tara is action. She saves from the 8 great terrors (being torn apart by animals while traveling etc.) She is swift. One verse from teh 21 Praises of Tara (which describes her 21 different aspects...) is "Homage Tara Swift Heroic, eyes like lightening instaneous, born from the opening stamens of the Lord of the 3 World's Lotus Face...". Her mandala pure land is called Yelod Kurpa, the tourquoise coloured pure land. My Guru's commentary says that it is like a big heavenly party . Homage Noble Lady Tara, Swift in action of compassion.. Under your protection, Myself and other beings are gathered. Appeased from fear may we find the strength to aspire to Bodhicitta and know kindness, compassion, wisdom, equanimity and joy. The blue Utpala flower at your left ear blooming full and radiant held in the gesture of the 3 jewel mudra... may the wheel of Dharma turn! To my sisters who live compassionatly and always work for others praises to you, true daughters of our Mother. For me, who has forgotten and misused her good karma, Now here i make confession... i request your forbearance. Please remain amoung us and until all are free, teach us the sublime way. In my heart there is a light.... that echos and is lit by you. To those who would understand May they know they are made of tears...born from tears... as you were born from the tears of Chenrezi. And may every being without exception know sublime awakening and freedom. (i wrote the poem, sorry if you've seen it before ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 , "LC" <jyotish@w...> wrote: > Hello Janpa: > At times Tara is represented as white relating to her transcendend immaculate form. Therefore she is dark blue in her descent into nature.. > Namaste, > Linda Wow I really enjoyed reading all that. Maybe the blue of this Tara relates to the blue of Krishna & of Shiva in that it is a relationship with form after transcendence of it. White to blue. Maybe. I dunno. Love reading this stuff. I'd love to read about Durga & her tiger. Best wishes, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 > At times Tara is represented as white relating to her transcendend immaculate form. Therefore she is dark blue in her descent into nature.. > Namaste,> Linda>Wow I really enjoyed reading all that. Maybe the blue of this Tara >relates to the blue of Krishna & of Shiva in that it is a relationship >with form after transcendence of it. White to blue. Maybe. I dunno. >Love reading this stuff. I'd love to read about Durga & her tiger.>Best wishes,>Col Hi Col: I love this stuff too, figure might as well love the illusion as long as I'm in it. Interesting thing about the blue, Tara pre-dates Krishna but the blue of Siva represents his swallowing the poision of maya and transcending it. I can easly imagine that Krishna's blue can be a symbol for 'being' even while in the 'mix'. There are some ancient yoga texts that actually assign dark blue to the 1st chakra. In Vedic Astrology the planet for the 1st chakra is Saturn and the color is deep blue. Once I held an astrology class and went through a chakra meditation based on the colors of the planets.....many of the people were right at the chakras according to the planets even though all of them were only familar with the western rainbow colors. Linda // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 , "LC" <jyotish@w...> wrote: > > > At times Tara is represented as white relating to her > transcendend immaculate form. Therefore she is dark blue in her > descent into nature.. > > > Namaste, > > Linda > Hi Col: > > I love this stuff too, figure might as well love the illusion as long as I'm in it. Yes it's here for our enjoyment IMO. > Interesting thing about the blue, Tara pre-dates Krishna but the blue of Siva represents his swallowing the poision of >maya and transcending it. I think He is already transcendent (formless). I think His eating (ignorance/toxins) & dancing as motion, (activity of form) is His Bliss. That's the river of ecstasy for Him. Motion. Stillness adores the form in motion. This seems to represent the love of Shiva for Shakti (formless transcendent for form). The dance between them is bliss. I love Jnaneshwar's poem on this & may repost it here later. >I can easly imagine that Krishna's blue can be a symbol for 'being' even while in the 'mix'. There are some ancient yoga texts that actually assign dark blue to the 1st chakra. >In Vedic Astrology the planet for the 1st chakra is Saturn and the color is deep blue. Once I held an astrology class and went through a chakra meditation based on the colors of the planets.....many of the people were right at the chakras according to the planets even though all of them were only familar with the western rainbow colors. > > Linda Saturn. I hear many people have a hard time with dear Shani. (Think that's the jyotish name for Saturn). Some say this is a time when ignorance is destroyed. (Eaten:-) :-) Nice chatting, Luv, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2000 Report Share Posted October 29, 2000 >Saturn. I hear many people have a hard time with dear Shani. (Think >that's the jyotish name for Saturn). Some say this is a time when >ignorance is destroyed. (Eaten:-) >:-) Nice chatting,>Luv,>Col Poor Shani greatly feared and somewhat maligned. I tend to think of him as the force that turns the coal into the diamond. There is another story as to how Ganesha wound up with the head of an elephant. It seems that Shani had angered the gods and as a punishment anyone that he looked upon would die. When Parvati gave birth to Ganesha all of the gods gathered to pay their respects and Shani also came along but would not look directly at Parvati's baby. She asked him why and when he told her her about the punishment she laughed and told him to look at her baby....he did so and the baby lost his head. Being very angry she took away Shani's ability to walk. Siva returned and placed the elephant's head upon his son. Since Shani had looked at Ganesha only at Parvati's command Siva did the best he could to take away the curse of Parvati. He could not completely do away with the curse so while Shani walks he does so with a limp. Ganesha is Jupiter and when Jupiter acts out of control one's ego generally swells along with great acts of impulse. Shani will generally cut into the swollen ego to bring one back balance. It's fun to share this with someone. Love, Linda // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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