Guest guest Posted November 9, 1999 Report Posted November 9, 1999 >> > With regard to Western Philosophers, I don't notice >> >any real 'how to', teachings with regard to >> >Liberation, even if they are non-dual. As opposed to >> >the science of Liberation taught in the East/India. >> >> This is true. To most Western philosophers it's a purely >> intellectual >> exercise. No soteriological or spiritual motives to their writing. >> Even >> some like Schopenhauer who were exposed to Eastern teachings don't >> prescribe any methods. But the arguments can be part of one's path. >> >Yes, and the "methods" >prescribed in the East are >many, diverse, and a *long* >way from deterministic. No methods proposed by Western philosophers? Wait just a sec... Methods proposed by Western philosophers (in random order): Plato: sit in a cave and watch the shadows cast by a fire Alan Watts, Tim Leary, Richard Alpert: take lots of LSD Meister Eckhardt: Contemplate the nature of Godhead Socrates: Ask questions Jesus: Direct prayer/communion with the divine intentional fasting Issac Luria: Intense meditation using letters of divine names William Blake: Use of poetic imagination, prophetic vision Carl Jung: Active imagination; exploration of dreams and creativity Hildegaard Von Bingen: Devotion to Divine Love Leonardo da Vinci: Integrate rationality and aesthetics Sigmund Freud: Profound self-analysis and release of past emotional patterns Moses: Spend 40 years in the desert Abraham: reject any images of divinity as truth Paul: organize a community John Cage: integrate silence and sound Wittgenstein: recognize the limits of language Some of these methods are very valuable in my opinion. --- Dan Quote
Guest guest Posted November 10, 1999 Report Posted November 10, 1999 You forgot to mention the Dutch nondual philosopher Spinoza (probably spontaneous awakened): http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Biographies/Philosophy/Spinoza.htm http://www.essentia.com/book/enlighten/spinoza.htm http://users.erols.com/jyselman/ Quote
Guest guest Posted November 10, 1999 Report Posted November 10, 1999 Thanks for these links. I was going to add him to the WesternPhilosophers page on Jerry's site (www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/western.htm), and now this gives me a push to do it even sooner. --Greg At 06:18 PM 11/10/99 +0000, Jan Barendrecht wrote: >"Jan Barendrecht" <janb > >You forgot to mention the Dutch nondual philosopher Spinoza (probably >spontaneous awakened): >http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Biographies/Philosophy/Spinoza.htm >http://www.essentia.com/book/enlighten/spinoza.htm >http://users.erols.com/jyselman/ > >>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, >perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and >subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not >different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the >nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. >It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the >Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of >Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome >all to a. Quote
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