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In defense of therapy by another psychologist:

 

A. Depends very much on the therapist and the therapist-therapized chemistry

 

B. re: non-duality

 

A pivotal moment in therapy is when the individual reaches the question,

who am I if

not my symptoms, my complaints, my neurosis, my fear....and so forth.

Very often at

this moment, the universe cracks open.

 

C. re: Hillman's argument about self-centered action

 

If you believe, as I do, that healing is about return to wholeness, it

is easy to see and

understand why people who benefit from therapy naturally become more

altruistic,

more generous, more compassionate, more involved with the community at

large,

without conscious intent. I've watched many, many people awaken

"spiritually," in

therapy.

 

This said, I will confess that there is much about conventional therapy

I no longer have

faith in, including much of diagnosis, licensing, advanced degrees,

managed care, and

the fiction that anybody other than God does the healing. In fact,

healing is as natural

as breath when I (God) sit down to talk (God) with you (God). Holly

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Hbarrett47 [Hbarrett47]

Tuesday, November 16, 1999 1:35 PM

Re: Re: Dan/Glo/Non-dual Ecopsychology

 

Hbarrett47

 

In defense of therapy by another psychologist:

 

A. Depends very much on the therapist and the therapist-therapized

chemistry

 

B. re: non-duality

 

A pivotal moment in therapy is when the individual reaches the

question,

who am I if

not my symptoms, my complaints, my neurosis, my fear....and so forth.

Very often at

this moment, the universe cracks open.

 

C. re: Hillman's argument about self-centered action

 

If you believe, as I do, that healing is about return to wholeness, it

is easy to see and

understand why people who benefit from therapy naturally become more

altruistic,

more generous, more compassionate, more involved with the community at

large,

without conscious intent. I've watched many, many people awaken

"spiritually," in

therapy.

 

This said, I will confess that there is much about conventional therapy

I no longer have

faith in, including much of diagnosis, licensing, advanced degrees,

managed care, and

the fiction that anybody other than God does the healing. In fact,

healing is as natural

as breath when I (God) sit down to talk (God) with you (God). Holly

 

 

Thank you Holly for your insights. (Holly, for those who do not know, is an

experienced Psychologist known and respected much in international circles,

especially here). The last paragraph is powerful Holly and many like David

Bozzi would agree with you.

 

Holly, I have never been attracted to western style therapy and have never

made any serious attempts to understand what therapy is all about. But I

have gained many insights from you (over the last couple of years), and

recently from Dan about this field and have come to appreciate it much more.

I understand how personal and valuable insights can be gained by an

individual following this "path" so to speak. I remember your mentioning

that your Kundalini awakening came after you had spent many years giving

therapy to your patients. Yes. I can clearly see how this could potentially

be a powerful tool for growth for someone. Anyone who is attracted to

psychology must have a strong interest in the nature of consciousness.

Awakening comes for such people at some point. We appreciate being in the

presence of the wisdom and experience that you and Dan bring from western

psychology (and its limitations) and Greg's appreciation of the nondual

theme running through many religions, regardless of their origin

 

Love to all

Harsha

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Dear Holly (and Dan),

 

No time yet to reply in depth. If you go to read the whole article, the

context is slightly different. I simply wanted to raise discussion. The

point of article is more about what would be a healing therapy for the

species..for the nations , for the community.. why do we just see therapy as

for individual "selves" when its the whole of mankind is ailing? Like that,

anyway, sorta..

Later, Glo

 

>Hbarrett47

>

>In defense of therapy by another psychologist:

>

>A. Depends very much on the therapist and the therapist-therapized

chemistry

>

>B. re: non-duality

>

> A pivotal moment in therapy is when the individual reaches the

question,

>who am I if

> not my symptoms, my complaints, my neurosis, my fear....and so forth.

>Very often at

> this moment, the universe cracks open.

>

>C. re: Hillman's argument about self-centered action

>

> If you believe, as I do, that healing is about return to wholeness, it

>is easy to see and

> understand why people who benefit from therapy naturally become more

>altruistic,

> more generous, more compassionate, more involved with the community at

>large,

> without conscious intent. I've watched many, many people awaken

>"spiritually," in

> therapy.

>

> This said, I will confess that there is much about conventional

therapy

>I no longer have

> faith in, including much of diagnosis, licensing, advanced degrees,

>managed care, and

> the fiction that anybody other than God does the healing. In fact,

>healing is as natural

> as breath when I (God) sit down to talk (God) with you (God). Holly

>

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On 11/16/99 at 1:34 PM Hbarrett47 wrote:

 

[...]

> This said, I will confess that there is much about conventional

therapy

>I no longer have

> faith in, including much of diagnosis, licensing, advanced degrees,

>managed care, and

> the fiction that anybody other than God does the healing. In fact,

>healing is as natural

> as breath when I (God) sit down to talk (God) with you (God). Holly

 

This reminds of a joke (!?) I read somewhere: "Doctor, please think of your

vacations sponsored by us and don't take the risk of having the patients

wait too long, else they might recover on their own without your help and

our expensive medicines!!!" :•)

 

My visual handicap is "doctor made"... it could have been prevented by mere

scratching.

 

Jan

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In a message dated 11/16/1999 7:56:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

janb writes:

 

<<

This reminds of a joke (!?) I read somewhere: "Doctor, please think of your

vacations sponsored by us and don't take the risk of having the patients

wait too long, else they might recover on their own without your help and

our expensive medicines!!!" :•) >>

 

I like my physician a lot and I'm not ready to forgo Western medicine, but I

recently began studying with a Curandera who is trained in Aztec medicine,

where the responsibility for healing is shared by God and the patient, or

rather the Self and the self. The difference in feel is mind-boggling!

Holly

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>Hbarrett47

>

>In a message dated 11/16/1999 7:56:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>janb writes:

>

><<

> This reminds of a joke (!?) I read somewhere: "Doctor, please think of

your

> vacations sponsored by us and don't take the risk of having the patients

> wait too long, else they might recover on their own without your help and

> our expensive medicines!!!" :•) >>

>

>I like my physician a lot and I'm not ready to forgo Western medicine, but

I

>recently began studying with a Curandera who is trained in Aztec medicine,

>where the responsibility for healing is shared by God and the patient, or

>rather the Self and the self. The difference in feel is mind-boggling!

>Holly

>

 

Thank you Holly for mentioning this.. there is a positive message of

support, in recognizing what is already there supporting us, simply not

forgetting the healing is not all up to us.

 

It is hard for me to explain now - how I was only perceiving some positive

context of extending the self beyond the narrow limits of "its all about

me"..like to think we can escape the context of our time in history or "so

long as I have what I need, why care about any one else?" To see our

connection with the air, earth, and water.. how all nature is not separate

from us. I honestly skipped over any implied criticism of individual therapy

( for that I am truly sorry) to see only a more positive message about how

imprisoning the aloneness of a separate self can be because we are

forgetting how it really is and how it really is..the aloneness is illusory.

 

Sometimes I go about

pitying myself

and all the time

I am being carried

on great winds

across the sky.

 

~Chippewa Indian~

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