Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 In defense of therapy by another psychologist: A. Depends very much on the therapist and the therapist-therapized chemistry B. re: non-duality A pivotal moment in therapy is when the individual reaches the question, who am I if not my symptoms, my complaints, my neurosis, my fear....and so forth. Very often at this moment, the universe cracks open. C. re: Hillman's argument about self-centered action If you believe, as I do, that healing is about return to wholeness, it is easy to see and understand why people who benefit from therapy naturally become more altruistic, more generous, more compassionate, more involved with the community at large, without conscious intent. I've watched many, many people awaken "spiritually," in therapy. This said, I will confess that there is much about conventional therapy I no longer have faith in, including much of diagnosis, licensing, advanced degrees, managed care, and the fiction that anybody other than God does the healing. In fact, healing is as natural as breath when I (God) sit down to talk (God) with you (God). Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 Hbarrett47 [Hbarrett47] Tuesday, November 16, 1999 1:35 PM Re: Re: Dan/Glo/Non-dual Ecopsychology Hbarrett47 In defense of therapy by another psychologist: A. Depends very much on the therapist and the therapist-therapized chemistry B. re: non-duality A pivotal moment in therapy is when the individual reaches the question, who am I if not my symptoms, my complaints, my neurosis, my fear....and so forth. Very often at this moment, the universe cracks open. C. re: Hillman's argument about self-centered action If you believe, as I do, that healing is about return to wholeness, it is easy to see and understand why people who benefit from therapy naturally become more altruistic, more generous, more compassionate, more involved with the community at large, without conscious intent. I've watched many, many people awaken "spiritually," in therapy. This said, I will confess that there is much about conventional therapy I no longer have faith in, including much of diagnosis, licensing, advanced degrees, managed care, and the fiction that anybody other than God does the healing. In fact, healing is as natural as breath when I (God) sit down to talk (God) with you (God). Holly Thank you Holly for your insights. (Holly, for those who do not know, is an experienced Psychologist known and respected much in international circles, especially here). The last paragraph is powerful Holly and many like David Bozzi would agree with you. Holly, I have never been attracted to western style therapy and have never made any serious attempts to understand what therapy is all about. But I have gained many insights from you (over the last couple of years), and recently from Dan about this field and have come to appreciate it much more. I understand how personal and valuable insights can be gained by an individual following this "path" so to speak. I remember your mentioning that your Kundalini awakening came after you had spent many years giving therapy to your patients. Yes. I can clearly see how this could potentially be a powerful tool for growth for someone. Anyone who is attracted to psychology must have a strong interest in the nature of consciousness. Awakening comes for such people at some point. We appreciate being in the presence of the wisdom and experience that you and Dan bring from western psychology (and its limitations) and Greg's appreciation of the nondual theme running through many religions, regardless of their origin Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 Dear Holly (and Dan), No time yet to reply in depth. If you go to read the whole article, the context is slightly different. I simply wanted to raise discussion. The point of article is more about what would be a healing therapy for the species..for the nations , for the community.. why do we just see therapy as for individual "selves" when its the whole of mankind is ailing? Like that, anyway, sorta.. Later, Glo >Hbarrett47 > >In defense of therapy by another psychologist: > >A. Depends very much on the therapist and the therapist-therapized chemistry > >B. re: non-duality > > A pivotal moment in therapy is when the individual reaches the question, >who am I if > not my symptoms, my complaints, my neurosis, my fear....and so forth. >Very often at > this moment, the universe cracks open. > >C. re: Hillman's argument about self-centered action > > If you believe, as I do, that healing is about return to wholeness, it >is easy to see and > understand why people who benefit from therapy naturally become more >altruistic, > more generous, more compassionate, more involved with the community at >large, > without conscious intent. I've watched many, many people awaken >"spiritually," in > therapy. > > This said, I will confess that there is much about conventional therapy >I no longer have > faith in, including much of diagnosis, licensing, advanced degrees, >managed care, and > the fiction that anybody other than God does the healing. In fact, >healing is as natural > as breath when I (God) sit down to talk (God) with you (God). Holly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 1999 Report Share Posted November 16, 1999 On 11/16/99 at 1:34 PM Hbarrett47 wrote: [...] > This said, I will confess that there is much about conventional therapy >I no longer have > faith in, including much of diagnosis, licensing, advanced degrees, >managed care, and > the fiction that anybody other than God does the healing. In fact, >healing is as natural > as breath when I (God) sit down to talk (God) with you (God). Holly This reminds of a joke (!?) I read somewhere: "Doctor, please think of your vacations sponsored by us and don't take the risk of having the patients wait too long, else they might recover on their own without your help and our expensive medicines!!!" :•) My visual handicap is "doctor made"... it could have been prevented by mere scratching. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 1999 Report Share Posted November 17, 1999 In a message dated 11/16/1999 7:56:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, janb writes: << This reminds of a joke (!?) I read somewhere: "Doctor, please think of your vacations sponsored by us and don't take the risk of having the patients wait too long, else they might recover on their own without your help and our expensive medicines!!!" :•) >> I like my physician a lot and I'm not ready to forgo Western medicine, but I recently began studying with a Curandera who is trained in Aztec medicine, where the responsibility for healing is shared by God and the patient, or rather the Self and the self. The difference in feel is mind-boggling! Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 1999 Report Share Posted November 17, 1999 >Hbarrett47 > >In a message dated 11/16/1999 7:56:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, >janb writes: > ><< > This reminds of a joke (!?) I read somewhere: "Doctor, please think of your > vacations sponsored by us and don't take the risk of having the patients > wait too long, else they might recover on their own without your help and > our expensive medicines!!!" :•) >> > >I like my physician a lot and I'm not ready to forgo Western medicine, but I >recently began studying with a Curandera who is trained in Aztec medicine, >where the responsibility for healing is shared by God and the patient, or >rather the Self and the self. The difference in feel is mind-boggling! >Holly > Thank you Holly for mentioning this.. there is a positive message of support, in recognizing what is already there supporting us, simply not forgetting the healing is not all up to us. It is hard for me to explain now - how I was only perceiving some positive context of extending the self beyond the narrow limits of "its all about me"..like to think we can escape the context of our time in history or "so long as I have what I need, why care about any one else?" To see our connection with the air, earth, and water.. how all nature is not separate from us. I honestly skipped over any implied criticism of individual therapy ( for that I am truly sorry) to see only a more positive message about how imprisoning the aloneness of a separate self can be because we are forgetting how it really is and how it really is..the aloneness is illusory. Sometimes I go about pitying myself and all the time I am being carried on great winds across the sky. ~Chippewa Indian~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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