RE: Linda/genderized

November 24, 1999

Linda - I offer my thanks for your words that reconcile maleness and

femaleness on the list. We are, perhaps, invited to reconcile maleness and

femaleness between each other, and within ourselves. Some questions arise

as I look at the concerns raised in this thread: Is theory necessarily

opposed to poetry? Does the right brain really operate separately from the

left brain? Is it possible to have poetic theory, and poetry that includes

abstract reality? Is it possible to have creative thought and thoughtful

creativity? Can I define That which has no inside nor outside as male or

female? Am I That, or am I defined by maleness or femaleness? How do we

reconcile the "relative" truth, that includes our

physical/biological/psychosocial gender differences - the space where we

walk, talk, eat and sleep - and the "absolute" truth of no-distinction,

where time and space aren't confines?

To me, the answers to these questions point toward an unsplit reality, and

a reality that is extremely challenging. The challenge is to be with no

inside and outside while I recognize and react in a temperospatial world

that depends on defining differences. Further, the challenge is to

recognize that these apparently two worlds are, in reality, the same world.

Now, my commentary may seem very theoretical. Okay, okay. So forget

everything I said. It doesn't really make sense anyway. Instead, here's

a poem:

No inside nor outside have I

Maybe that's why while I sit I can fly

I've given this world its texture and form

How can you expect me to fit a norm?

Although it seems that I write from afar

Outside of me none of you are

So my love I send to you

With wishes for all to live well and true

Love,

Dan

At 09:19 AM 11/24/99 -0500, you wrote:

>"Linda Callanan" <shastra

>

>Hi Ladies,

>

>I would agree that there is a certain 'maleness' to this list and sometimes

>it does get heavy with theory and debate. What I have also noticed is that

>those times the amount of posts increase in number to such a point that it

>becomes almost impossible to respond to or even follow what is going

>on.....bless Harsha I don't know how he keeps up with us all.

>

>However, I have also noticed that if we (the females of the group) do

>contribute our perspective is appreciated. To be honest when discussions

>get too right brained and poetic that seems as out of balance to me as when

>the threads are very left brained theory geared. Personally, I think that

>the guys of this group work hard at understanding our perspective and will

>even write poems and talk about grace and love. If there are times when the

>threads get very theory based it is up to us to contribute our own

>viewpoints, speak to one another or start a different thread.

>

>Linda

>

><< ---

> We ladies gotta stick together, Jill. >>

>

>>You go girl!

>>Yep, I've had some of the same thoughts as you, Jill, about the "maleness"

>of

>>this list and the "femaleness" of the k-list. Since the psychological

>>literature suggests that mental health includes high levels of both

>maleness

>>and femaleness (the true definition of androgyny, BTW), I guess it is up to

>>us to speak up -- and hope the men will stalk their animas (bad joke!).

>Holly

>

>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

>perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

>back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

>the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

>Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

>where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

>Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

>arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is

Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality

of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to

a.

>

November 24, 1999

Dan wrote: Poetry

I love you Dan!

Lynne

November 25, 1999

Hi Dan:

As I read your words which put ideas into concise and logical form there is

not one idea with which I would disagree. We are here to reconcile all

polarities into the oneness of the soul. I believe that just as the family

we are born into represents our first level of karma and love on this plane

the gender we are born into represents a first 'bend' to the mind which will

create much of the reality of this life. This female mind recognizes the

truth of the words you have written and the rationale behind them. The

'theory' has form and substance which would hold up through any debate,

discussion or teaching on gender.....valuable qualities as we communicate

ideas and thoughts to one another.

When I read your poem it causes me to smile as it goes into my heart to

remind me that this is all just a glorious play. No matter what our

differences within us all is the same golden light. I breathe a deep sigh

to know that truth can be said in short verse with a sincere expression of

love.

So thank you Dan for communicating to us all that in the end what is the

same is greater than what is different.

Much love and peace on this Thanksgiving Day.

Linda

>"Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd

>Linda - I offer my thanks for your words that reconcile maleness and

>femaleness on the list. We are, perhaps, invited to reconcile maleness and

>femaleness between each other, and within ourselves. Some questions arise

>as I look at the concerns raised in this thread: Is theory necessarily

>opposed to poetry? Does the right brain really operate separately from the

>left brain? Is it possible to have poetic theory, and poetry that includes

>abstract reality? Is it possible to have creative thought and thoughtful

>creativity? Can I define That which has no inside nor outside as male or

>female? Am I That, or am I defined by maleness or femaleness? How do we

>reconcile the "relative" truth, that includes our

>physical/biological/psychosocial gender differences - the space where we

>walk, talk, eat and sleep - and the "absolute" truth of no-distinction,

>where time and space aren't confines?

>To me, the answers to these questions point toward an unsplit reality, and

>a reality that is extremely challenging. The challenge is to be with no

>inside and outside while I recognize and react in a temperospatial world

>that depends on defining differences. Further, the challenge is to

>recognize that these apparently two worlds are, in reality, the same world.

>Now, my commentary may seem very theoretical. Okay, okay. So forget

>everything I said. It doesn't really make sense anyway. Instead, here's

>a poem:

>No inside nor outside have I

>Maybe that's why while I sit I can fly

>I've given this world its texture and form

>How can you expect me to fit a norm?

>Although it seems that I write from afar

>Outside of me none of you are

>So my love I send to you

>With wishes for all to live well and true