Jesus and the Essenes and India.

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Namaste All,

 

With regard to Jesus being associated or raised by the

Essenes there is a lot of information pointing to

that.

My sources indicate that Jesus left Palestine, at age

thirteen, and travelled to India, Tibet, Persia,

Greece and finally Egypt, where he took his final vows

in the great pyramid, John the Baptist was also there.

 

In India he visited with the Jains in their caves, he

visited a group associated in someway with the Essenes

in Jaganath. He spent time in Kasi and eventually went

to Buddhistt Ladakh/Tibet, where he spent some years

in a monastery and practised Raja Yoga.

 

In the monastery at Himis in Leh there were kept on

palm leaves the records of St Isa's life, the Eastern

name for Jesus. These were initially brought to light

by a Russian, R Notavich. They are also confirmed by

Swami Abhedananda of 'The Divine Life Mission', whose

master also saw and read those leaves and wrote about

them.

 

One must remember at this time that Ashoka's

missionaries were present throughout the middle-east.

If one reads Josephus the historian, he mentions Jesus

and also he talks about the Essenes, so does Pliny.

 

The Catholic Encyclopedia states, " The Dead Sea

Scrolls, however show grounds for suspecting

considerable influence, which does nothing to destroy

the originality of Christianity."

 

Essenes and Christians held similar attitudes to

communal living, the sacramental aspect of baptism,

prophecy, reincarnation, healing etc etc. They both

revered the 'Book of Enoch', and the 'Book of the

secrets of Enoch', later banned by the Nicean and type

councils that established 'modern purgated

Christianity'.

They had the same greeting, " Peace be with you", and

both were opposed to taking oaths. The Essenic meal

was 'bread and must', must is non-alcoholic wine,

which was their brotherly meal, or Christian Agape

(now the Mass).

 

The Qumran writings of the Essenes heavily influence

the New Testament it seems.

 

The Essene Temple was at Mt. Carmel, Qumran was a

secondary site, code-named Damascus, as in Paul/Saul

on the road to Damascus.

 

Prefix to the Carmelite Constitution in Rome 1281.

A.D.

" From the time when the prophets Elias and Eliseus

dwelt devoutly on Mt Carmel, holy fathers both of the

new and old testaments….lived praiseworthy lives by

the fountain of Elias in a holy succession

uninterruptedly maintained."

 

It is believed that after Jesus' resurrection, he

returned to Kashmir, and perhaps even visited Malaysia

also. It is said he lived until his nineties and is

buried in the 'Rozabal Tomb', in Srinagar. One family

has tended this tomb for generations, the ' Tomb of

the Prophet', it has stone feet outside with

nail-holes in!

 

Love Tony.

P.S. In the Bible, 'Thou shalt not kill', 'He that

killeth an ox is as if he slew a man, he that

sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's

neck.Issaiah 66:3, also check, Gen 1:29,Gen.9:4,

Leviticus 3:7, 7:23.

 

Also these vegetarians, Plutarch, Pythagoras, (Pita

Guru?), Buddha, Mahavira,Ovid, Plotinus, Porphyry, Da

Vinci, Einstein, Emerson, Gandhi, Krishnamurthi, Pope,

Rousseau, Schweitzer, Shaw, Shelley, Tagore, Thoreau,

Tolstoy.

 

 

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you have to give up identification with the body."

"There is only one 'Soul' and 'That' is God." Sai Baba.

 

 

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In a message dated 11/29/99 11:49:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,

aoclery writes:

 

<< P.S. In the Bible, 'Thou shalt not kill', 'He that

killeth an ox is as if he slew a man, he that

sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's

neck.Issaiah 66:3, also check, Gen 1:29,Gen.9:4,

Leviticus 3:7, 7:23.

>>

Golly Tony, you sure know how to edit! The Old Testament is filled with

examples of animal sacrifice, and the reference to killing an ox is a

reference to killing an ox that "does not belong to that person." Therefore,

it is "taking a life" that not his to take...and he therefore owes that Ox's

owner another ox.

 

I am well familiar with the Revised Life of Jesus as portrayed in recent

movies and Essene Gospels as loosely translated by those who would like to

suggest that there was a "Christian Religion" before the time of Christ

(Jesus).

 

There is little or no historical evidence to suggest that however progressive

the Essene community might have been at the time of Jesus, that it was

anything other than a progressive Jewish community.

 

The biggest factor for proving the entire assertion is given by the

despondence of the Disciples in trying to convert Jews to their revised

version of belief, based on the Resurrection of Jesus. After fruitless

efforts, they discovered that "taking this new message of hope" to pagans,

"gentiles" proved far more successful. Gentile means non-Jewish, so,

defacto, the disciples considered themselves Jewish, and their message and

religion, basically a Jewish one, albeit with the twist of the Christ story

and gospels...a "New Testimonial or Testament."

 

So, no matter what strange ancient scrolls you may wish to quote, the effort

is rendered moot by this incontestable fact. If they were going to preach to

the "gentiles" for a change, then they were basing their entire earlier basis

on trying to preach to Jewish members of the community...their own community!

 

Blessings

Love,

 

Zenbob