Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 In a message dated 11/30/1999 9:43:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, hluthar writes: << Recognition of Truth of the Self as the Ultimate Reality may be facilitated by being in a certain tradition, but is not dependent on it. Truth of Pure Consciousness always stands on its Own Ground, independent of all paths, and yet fully supporting them. We bow to the sages in all traditions and outside of traditions who have pointed to the Reality of the Heart that is the Self, Eternally Complete with absolutely no longing for anything what so ever. Harsha >> Very beautiful Harsha, am really glad your back, your energy is like the center of the wheel here, we swirl around :-) Love, Rainbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 ----Original Message----- Jaishankar Narayanan [jaishankar_n] Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:46 AM advaitin Is Shankara a Mayavadin? "Jaishankar Narayanan" <jaishankar_n I think the problem with people like Aurobindo is that they did not have a traditional Guru. Aurobindo might have been a great Yogi and a great person but I think his understanding of the shastras were flawed because he did not have a proper Guru. The teaching tradition (Sampradaya) is very important because only a traditional teacher has the methodology to unfold the words of the Vedas so that it becomes a valid means of knowledge. Others who don't know the methodology to teach Vedanta cannot be effective teachers. I think the fact that an Aurobindo or JK could'nt produce another Aurobindo or JK is proof enough. That the tradition has survived for thousands of years with Jnani's in every generation shows the effectiveness of the traditional way of teaching and learning Vedanta. I think the words of Mundaka Upanishad 'Sa Gurum Eva Abhigacchet Shrotriyam Brahmanishtam' - 'Approach a teacher who is a Shrotriya (one who has studied shastras and knows the traditional way of teaching) and Brahmanishta (one who is committed to the vision of the Vedas) and the words of Shankara 'Asampradayavit Moorkhavat Apekshaniyaha' - 'The one who is not a Sampradayavit( one who knows the tradition) is to be kept away like a fool' , is very relevant here. with love and prayers, Jaishankar. Hello Jaishankarji! I agree with you that the Vedantic teaching traditions are important and critical for producing other teachers in the Vedic tradition. Similar arguments can be made about the Buddhist and Jaina traditions and others as well. I am glad there are such traditions that go back thousands of years. We are the direct beneficiaries of such teachings in some way. However, there are transmissions of Truth (I am That!) which are outside of all known or accepted means. Sri Ramana is one example. Ramana Maharshi did not limit the possibility of Self-Realization to any particular traditions. Recognition of Truth of the Self as the Ultimate Reality may be facilitated by being in a certain tradition, but is not dependent on it. Truth of Pure Consciousness always stands on its Own Ground, independent of all paths, and yet fully supporting them. We bow to the sages in all traditions and outside of traditions who have pointed to the Reality of the Heart that is the Self, Eternally Complete with absolutely no longing for anything what so ever. Harsha _ Discussion of the True Meaning of Sankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy focusing on non-duality between mind and matter. Searchable List Archives are available at: http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/ Contact Email Address: advaitins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 RainboLily [RainboLily] Tuesday, November 30, 1999 9:57 AM Re: Truth and Traditions RainboLily In a message dated 11/30/1999 9:43:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, hluthar writes: << Recognition of Truth of the Self as the Ultimate Reality may be facilitated by being in a certain tradition, but is not dependent on it. Truth of Pure Consciousness always stands on its Own Ground, independent of all paths, and yet fully supporting them. We bow to the sages in all traditions and outside of traditions who have pointed to the Reality of the Heart that is the Self, Eternally Complete with absolutely no longing for anything what so ever. Harsha >> Very beautiful Harsha, am really glad your back, your energy is like the center of the wheel here, we swirl around :-) Love, Rainbo Thanks Rainbo! Hope no one is too dizzy from the swirling :--). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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