Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 Dear Gloria, I agree with you that J.K.'s act in dissolving the Order of the Star in the East is very remarkable. This is the act of a FREE MAN! Alan Watts talked about J.K. in his "In My Own Way - An Autobiography": Just after World War I, Annie Besant, then president of the Theosophical Society in Madras, proclaimed him avatar, incarnation of the Christ, and Savior of the World. In his honor she founded the Order of the Star in the East, which had offices all over the world, and he was given a castle in the Netherlands, Schloss Erde, at Ommen, and a stadium in Australia. But supposing that Krishnamurti was indeed the jagad-guru, the world teacher, HOW WOULD HE HAVE RESPONDED TO SUCH ADULATION? He would have done exactly what he did, which was--in 1928--to dissolve the Order of the Star, and to proclaim that he was not a guru and acknowledged no disciples. Nevertheless, this incredibly gracious man goes on giving lectures and is surrounded with nondisciples. And Henry Miller in the Chapter Krishnamurti of his "The Books in My Life": There is a name ... which stands out in contrast to all that is secret, suspect, cofusing, bookish and enslaving: Krishnamurti. Here is one man of our time who may be said to be a master of reality. He stands alone. He has renounced more than any man I can think of, except the Christ. Fundamentally he is so simple to understand that it is easy to comprehend the confusion which his clear, direct words and deeds have entailed. Men are reluctant to accept what is easy to grasp. Out of a perversity deeper than all Satan's wiles, man refuses to acknowledge his own God-given rights: he demands deliverance or salvation by and through an intermediary; he seeks guides, counsellors, leaders, systems, rituals. He looks for solutions which are in his own breast. He puts learning above wisdom, power above the art of discrimination. But above all, he refuses to work for his own liberation, pretending that first "the world" must be liberated. Yes, as Krishnamurti has pointed out time and again, the world problem is bound up with the problem of the individual. TRUTH IS EVER PRESENT. ETERNITY IS HERE AND NOW. And salvation? What is it, O man, that you wish to save? YOUR PETTY EGO? Your soul? Your identity? Lose it and you will find yourself. Do not worry about God--God knows how to take care of Himself. Cultivate your doubts, embrace every kind of experience, keep on desiring, strive neither to forget nor to remember, but assimilate and integrate what you have experienced. Roughly, this is Krishnamurti's way of speaking. It must be revolting at times to answer all the petty, stupid questions which people are forever putting to him. Emancipate yourself! he urges. No one else will, because no one else can. This voice from the wilderness is, of course, the voice of a leader. But Krishnamurti has renounced that role too. [...] What distinguishes Krishnamurti, even from the great teachers of the past, the masters and the exemplars, is his absolute nakedness. The one role he permits himself to play is--himself, a human being. Clad only in the frailty of the flesh, he relies entirely upon the spirit which is one with the flesh. If he has a mission it is to strip men of their illusions and delusions, to knock away the false supports of ideals, beliefs, fetishes, every kind of crutch, and thus render back to man the full majesty, the full potency, of his humanity. He has often been referred to as "the World Teacher." If any man living merits the title, he does. But to me the important thing about Krishnamurti is that he imposes himself upon us not as a teacher, nor even as a Master, but as a MAN--"Find out for yourself," he says, "what are the possessions and ideals that you do not desire. By knowing what you do not want, by elimination, you will unburden the mind, and only then will it understand the essential which is ever there." Be Well, KKT ================================== << "Gloria Lee" <glee Having just read a biography of the early years of K's life, the well known facts of his being raised and prepared to become the World Teacher of the Theosophical Society are now a vivid story to me. Considering how his entire life from childhood on had been controlled and planned to fulfill these expectations, his courage to renounce not only that role, but the entire belief system of the organization as well..it is simply remarkable. He had no relationships outside the society and even without considering his financial dependence on the organization itself, I can believe he sincerely regretted the need to put aside the life's work of those persons closest to him. While the actual dissolution took a few years, what follows is an excerpt from his first revolutionary speech to address the issue of his beliefs, entitled, "Who Brings the Truth." (1927) It makes for a nice advent meditation. -Glo I have been asked what I mean by 'the Beloved.' I will give you a meaning, an explanation, which you will interpret as you please. To me it is all -- it is Sri Krishna, it is the Master K.H., it is the Lord Maitreya, it is the Buddha, and yet it is beyond all these forms. What does it matter what name you give? ... What you are troubling about is whether there is such a person as the World Teacher who has manifested Himself in the body of a certain person, Krishnamurti; but in the world nobody will trouble about this question. So you will see my point of view when I talk about my Beloved. It is an unfortunate thing that I have to explain, but I must. I want it to be as vague as possible, and I hope I have made it so. My Beloved is the open skies, the flower, every human being. . . . Till I was able to say with certainty, without any undue excitement, or exaggeration in order to convince others, that I was one with my Beloved, I never spoke. I talked of vague generalities which everybody 'wanted. I never said: I am the World Teacher; but now that I feel I am one with my Beloved, I say it, not in order to impress my authority on you, not to convince you of my greatness, nor of the greatness of the World Teacher, nor even of the beauty of life, but merely to awaken the desire in your hearts and in your own minds to seek out the Truth. If I say, and I will say, that I am one with the Beloved, it is because I feel and know it. I have found what I longed for, I have become united, so that henceforth there will be no separation, because my thoughts, my desires, my longings-those of the individual self-have been destroyed.... I am as the flower that gives scent to the morning air. It does not concern itself with who is passing by.... Until now you have been depending on the two Protectors of the Order [Mrs Besant and Leadbeater] for authority, on someone else to tell you the Truth, whereas the Truth lies within you. In your own hearts, in your own experience, you will find the Truth, and that is the only thing of value. . . . My purpose is not to create discussions on authority, on the rnanifestations in the personality of Krishnamurti, but to give the waters that shall wash away your sorrows, your petty tyrannies, your limitations, so that you will be free, so that you will eventually join that ocean where there is no limitation, where there is the Beloved.... Does it really matter out of what glass you drink the water, so long as that water is able to quench your thirst.... I have been united with my Beloved, and my Beloved and I will wander together the face of the earth. . . . It is no good asking me who is the Beloved. Of what use is explanation? For you will not understand the Beloved until you are able to see Him in every animal, in every blade of grass, in every person that is suffering, in every individual. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 Having just read a biography of the early years of K's life, the well known facts of his being raised and prepared to become the World Teacher of the Theosophical Society are now a vivid story to me. Considering how his entire life from childhood on had been controlled and planned to fulfill these expectations, his courage to renounce not only that role, but the entire belief system of the organization as well..it is simply remarkable. He had no relationships outside the society and even without considering his financial dependence on the organization itself, I can believe he sincerely regretted the need to put aside the life's work of those persons closest to him. While the actual dissolution took a few years, what follows is an excerpt from his first revolutionary speech to address the issue of his beliefs, entitled, "Who Brings the Truth." (1927) It makes for a nice advent meditation. -Glo I have been asked what I mean by 'the Beloved.' I will give you a meaning, an explanation, which you will interpret as you please. To me it is all -- it is Sri Krishna, it is the Master K.H., it is the Lord Maitreya, it is the Buddha, and yet it is beyond all these forms. What does it matter what name you give? .... What you are troubling about is whether there is such a person as the World Teacher who has manifested Himself in the body of a certain person, Krishnamurti; but in the world nobody will trouble about this question. So you will see my point of view when I talk about my Beloved. It is an unfortunate thing that I have to explain, but I must. I want it to be as vague as possible, and I hope I have made it so. My Beloved is the open skies, the flower, every human being. . . . Till I was able to say with certainty, without any undue excitement, or exaggeration in order to convince others, that I was one with my Beloved, I never spoke. I talked of vague generalities which everybody 'wanted. I never said: I am the World Teacher; but now that I feel I am one with my Beloved, I say it, not in order to impress my authority on you, not to convince you of my greatness, nor of the greatness of the World Teacher, nor even of the beauty of life, but merely to awaken the desire in your hearts and in your own minds to seek out the Truth. If I say, and I will say, that I am one with the Beloved, it is because I feel and know it. I have found what I longed for, I have become united, so that henceforth there will be no separation, because my thoughts, my desires, my longings-those of the individual self-have been destroyed.... I am as the flower that gives scent to the morning air. It does not concern itself with who is passing by.... Until now you have been depending on the two Protectors of the Order [Mrs Besant and Leadbeater] for authority, on someone else to tell you the Truth, whereas the Truth lies within you. In your own hearts, in your own experience, you will find the Truth, and that is the only thing of value. . . . My purpose is not to create discussions on authority, on the rnanifestations in the personality of Krishnamurti, but to give the waters that shall wash away your sorrows, your petty tyrannies, your limitations, so that you will be free, so that you will eventually join that ocean where there is no limitation, where there is the Beloved.... Does it really matter out of what glass you drink the water, so long as that water is able to quench your thirst.... I have been united with my Beloved, and my Beloved and I will wander together the face of the earth. . . . It is no good asking me who is the Beloved. Of what use is explanation? For you will not understand the Beloved until you are able to see Him in every animal, in every blade of grass, in every person that is suffering, in every individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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