Jain karma, meat-eating, awareness.

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Namaste Jan et al,

 

Loved your reply on veges. No I was not considering

myself arrogant or more spiritual. I probably have

many more faults than many meat-eaters, but the

addiction of meat-eating is no longer one. On

examination most of my faults seem to hurt myself the

most.

 

With my statement on not being aware why one shoudn't

do something. I think you answered for me with your

posting on the following karmas. Talking about 'all is

one and illusion', and the 'I' etc is just

intellectualising unless you are 'realised'. As

Sankara said, it is real while you are in it! Punch

the wall and see if it hurts, if it does, then it is

real for you no matter how illusory it ultimately is.

If one cannot get 'one pointedness', then how does one

purify and become aware? All this is just

intellectualising and riding the bicycle in circles

around the velodrome.It is all in the mind-sheath,

manamayakosa.

 

As I said before I used to be a practising alcoholic

and I am familiar with self-deception, especially of

addicts. Meat-eating is an addiction that's all.

However it causes much collateral suffering and harm.

 

(In your own post Jan is my answer!Tony.)

Jan wrote:

>1.Knowledge-obscuring (Gyanavaraniya) Karma:

 

Gyan means knowledge.Varaniya means stoppage. This

karma prevents the

soul

from acquiring true knowledge and keeps us ignorant

just as a blindfold

keeps us from seeing. How can we improve our lot

unless we know what

we

are?

 

4. Deluding (Mohaneeya) Karma:

 

This karma, like too much alcohol, confuses all the

human faculties and

makes us forget what is right and what is wrong. It

makes the souls

bewildered and perplexed.<

 

Love Tony.

 

 

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you have to give up identification with the body."

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Tony O'Clery wrote:

> As I said before I used to be a practising alcoholic

> and I am familiar with self-deception, especially of

> addicts. Meat-eating is an addiction that's all.

 

Hammers see nails.

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In a message dated 11/30/99 7:25:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,

david.bozzi writes:

 

<< As I said before I used to be a practising alcoholic

> and I am familiar with self-deception, especially of

> addicts. Meat-eating is an addiction that's all.

>>

 

Dear Tony:

 

Ja, und I am an air addict, too, besonders, nicht wahr?

 

That makes you a vegetable addict, ja wohl?

 

Und I know some folks, poor things, mein Gott, they are water

addicts...unable to go a day mid out a drink from ein stein!

 

Blessings,

 

Zenbob

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In a message dated 11/30/99 12:09:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

aoclery writes:

 

<< Punch

the wall and see if it hurts, if it does, then it is

real for you no matter how illusory it ultimately is.

If one cannot get 'one pointedness', then how does one

purify and become aware? All this is just

intellectualising and riding the bicycle in circles

around the velodrome.It is all in the mind-sheath,

manamayakosa.

>>

Dear Tony:

 

I punched several walls to test your theory. None of them complained. I

could not tell from examining them if any were in pain or discomfort. My

guess is that they were basically unharmed by the exercise.

 

Should I punch them harder? What kind of sounds do walls make when they are

in pain?

 

I once hit and broke a window, and I am sure it was in pane.

 

Blessings

Love,

 

Zenbob