Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 >Jan: There is neither a dream nor a dreamer. >There is no one to wake up from a dream that doesn't exist. >But that is something "I" cannot conceive. Dan: "I" cannot conceive this because "I" depends on what doesn't exist to conceive of itself. "I"'s conceptions, based on assumptions of, and reactions to its own existence, also cannot be said to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 1999 Report Share Posted November 30, 1999 > ---------- > Dan Berkow, PhD[sMTP:berkowd] > Wednesday, December 01, 1999 7:52 AM > > Re: Jan/"I"? > > "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd > > > >Jan: There is neither a dream nor a dreamer. > >There is no one to wake up from a dream that doesn't exist. > >But that is something "I" cannot conceive. > > Dan: "I" cannot conceive this because "I" depends on > what doesn't exist to conceive of itself. "I"'s > conceptions, based on assumptions of, and reactions to > its own existence, also cannot be said to exist. > Is there anything exist? Not exist, Nasir > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. > It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the > Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome > all to a. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 On 11/30/99 at 7:52 PM Dan Berkow, PhD wrote: >"Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd > > >>Jan: There is neither a dream nor a dreamer. >>There is no one to wake up from a dream that doesn't exist. >>But that is something "I" cannot conceive. > >Dan: "I" cannot conceive this because "I" depends on >what doesn't exist to conceive of itself. "I"'s >conceptions, based on assumptions of, and reactions to >its own existence, also cannot be said to exist. j: Yet there is a kind of a paradox. Although the "I" can truly be said not to exist (because it and what comes to it doesn't leave a memory when "died"), the effects on the body will show up in terms of beneficial physical side-effects like slower breathing and brainwave patterns, indicating relaxation independent of activity. Although without the "I" one couldn't have learned to take care of the body, once that learning has been finished, the body is "better off" without it. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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