Two points on after death and Jesus.

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Namast All,

 

Two points Nasir; 1) If we merge with Nirguna Brahman

there are no after-death experiences------of course.

 

2) Jesus lived amongst Essenes up until he was

thirteen years of age, this includes the time he spent

in Egypt after the flight from Herod. He spent a great

part of his life in India and Ladakh/Kashmir, not

counting other countries he spent time in. Eventually

he returned to Egypt for his final initiation in the

great pyramid as with John the Baptist.

 

He hardly spent any time in normal society in

Palestine. I doubt he had few of their cultural

habits. He had few of their spiritual ones. The

epitomy of his teachings is 'the Sermon on the mount',

which is incredibly Essenic, Buddhistic and Vedantic.

 

Love Tony.

 

Suggest Zenbob that you read 'the Sermon on the

Mount', according to Vedanta, by Swami Prabhavananda,

Sri Ramakrishna Math. Here you will get an

understanding of early Essenic Christianity. I know

you read a lot and didn't see Essenic influence but

have you ever read the story of Nelson at the battle

of Copenhagen?

 

 

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Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! Breathe So----Ham!

 

"God is formless. In order to merge in the formless God,

you have to give up identification with the body."

"There is only one 'Soul' and 'That' is God." Sai Baba.

 

 

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In a message dated 12/2/99 1:01:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

aoclery writes:

 

<< 2) Jesus lived amongst Essenes up until he was

thirteen years of age, this includes the time he spent

in Egypt after the flight from Herod. He spent a great

part of his life in India and Ladakh/Kashmir, not

counting other countries he spent time in. Eventually

he returned to Egypt for his final initiation in the

great pyramid as with John the Baptist.

 

He hardly spent any time in normal society in

Palestine. I doubt he had few of their cultural

habits. He had few of their spiritual ones. The

epitome of his teachings is 'the Sermon on the mount',

which is incredibly Essenic, Buddhistic and Vedantic.

 

Love Tony.

 

Suggest Zenbob that you read 'the Sermon on the

Mount', according to Vedanta, by Swami Prabhavananda,

Sri Ramakrishna Math. Here you will get an

understanding of early Essenic Christianity. I know

you read a lot and didn't see Essenic influence but

have you ever read the story of Nelson at the battle

of Copenhagen?

>>

Dear Tony:

 

I think it wisest to suggest that Jesus MAY have spent some time in Egypt,

may have visited India or Tibet, etc., rather than asserting that HE DID.

There is some evidence that he might have...but most of the evidence

indicates that his visits to Kashmir or Tibet may have been AFTER his

resurrection, not before. As for the initiation in the Pyramid of

Cheops/Kufu, etc., that is rather absurd, as there was no entrance to this

pyramid at that time in history, the shaft to the King's Chamber only being

opened and discovered in the 1930'3.

 

Yes, I have read "Sermon on the Mount According to Vedanta." Parallel

preaching or philosophy is no more rare than is parallel evolution by totally

disconnected species, which look the same, act the same and fill the same

evolutionary niche. That Jesus would have learned stories and believed in

certain philosophies, based on exposure to them by Greek Scholars and

Egyptian scholars is no great stretch. However, to assert that his teaching

was based on Hindu principles is relatively absurd.

 

It's wonderful to imagine all that might have been, and to speculate about

"what Jesus might have thought" or "might have believed in" or "Might have

visited" but it is not good scholarship or objective science to assert that

because "he may have..." that therefore HE DID. He may have had an

encounter with an Extra Terrestrial Intelligence in the desert of Sinai

during his fasting, too, but it would be pointless to base arguments and

rhetoric on such unsupported speculations.

 

I mean this with all due respect and kindness, but having been involved with

Metaphysical groups for 25+ years has tended to

glaze me over with the realm of idle speculation cloaked as wisdom or "secret

truth." I am not saying that "X" or "Y" is impossible, just not

likely from

the majority of evidence. It always boils down to "Occam's Razor" which

basically suggests that the simplest explanation for how something functions,

or how an event occurred is usually the most accurate. Adding complex and

unnecessary "possible events or histories" does not in any way improve the

teachings of Jesus, nor make them more valid or valuable to people today.

 

Warm Regards,

Blessings,

 

Zenbob