Ramana Maharshi and Krishnamurti

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/02/1999 10:03:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

janb writes:

 

<<

This spontaneous recognition is a rather likely scenario in primitive but

easy going cultures with little conditioning. Anyone having had a bright

flash of recognition can intuitively know that unconditional bliss will be

a fact with the permanent removal of this conditioning: at first, the

virtual unit called "I" and then, if energy allows, the powerful feelings

from the body.

 

Jan

>>

Dagnabit Jan, now I *see* yes, you are right ... !

How did you manage to jump the entire Grand Canyon

in one jump?

 

Thank God we both understand the term dry wit

in the wet country :-)

 

L*L*L

Annette

[Guest guest]

Bruce Wrote:

 

Of course a great many

Jnanis also inspire intense

devotion, as the example of

Ramana Maharshi certainly

indicates. There is no

such thing as "pure" Jnana

any more than there is

"pure" Bhakti, and even the

most rigorous of Jnani's

often find themselves in the

role of "personal guru." Of

course K strongly disapproved

of this, so his sycophants

simply waited for his body to

die.

 

__________________________

____________

Good points Bruce. Someone asked Ramana once about Krishnamurti's claim that

no Guru was needed. Ramana Maharshi simply said, "How did he do it then,"

clearly pointing to the role of Krishnamurti's mentors (Annie Besant, etc.).

The Sage further added as a side, "One can say such things afterwards but

not before (Realization)."

 

Harsha

[Guest guest]

On 12/3/99 at 9:11 AM Nasir Chang wrote:

[...]

>What about the first one who found (Realization)?

>Just want to know :-)

>

>With Love,

>Nasir

 

One's real nature isn't something that has to be learned; one is born"in"

it but it is soon forgotten, when the powerful feelings from the body start

to demand attention. These feelings start off what is called conditioning

(together with effects of education and upbringing). If in its turn,

conditioning is (temporarily) forgotten, what remains is one's real nature.

Self-realization isn't a realization, it is a recognition of what never was

lost.

 

This spontaneous recognition is a rather likely scenario in primitive but

easy going cultures with little conditioning. Anyone having had a bright

flash of recognition can intuitively know that unconditional bliss will be

a fact with the permanent removal of this conditioning: at first, the

virtual unit called "I" and then, if energy allows, the powerful feelings

from the body.

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

> "One can say such things afterwards but

> not before (Realization)."

>

> Harsha

 

It's obvious one can not say such a thing before, how would one know?;^)

 

love, andrew

[Guest guest]

 

RainboLily [RainboLily]

Thursday, December 02, 1999 6:52 PM

Re: Ramana Maharshi and Krishnamurti

 

RainboLily

 

In a message dated 12/02/1999 6:24:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

hluthar writes:

 

<< ____________

Good points Bruce. Someone asked Ramana once about Krishnamurti's claim

that

no Guru was needed. Ramana Maharshi simply said, "How did he do it then,"

clearly pointing to the role of Krishnamurti's mentors (Annie Besant,

etc.).

The Sage further added as a side, "One can say such things afterwards but

not before (Realization)."

 

Harsha

>>

Hi Harsha,

 

We must have posted at the same time, I didn't see your post,

agree, it's so very helpful to have someone help us walk the

edge, I think otherwise the pitfalls of the fire are too risky.

Thanks for the sage advice, helps me to remember to stay

in touch with wiser souls than i :-)

 

Love*Light*Laughter,

Annette

 

Hi Annette and everyone. I am on the nonduality digest now and don't see

individual messages right away. I have also given up my AOL account and so

this account is the best way to get a hold of me.

 

 

Harsha

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:29:45 -0400 andrew macnab

<a.macnab writes:

> andrew macnab <a.macnab

>

> > "One can say such things afterwards but

> > not before (Realization)."

> >

> > Harsha

>

> It's obvious one can not say such a thing before, how would one

> know?;^)

>

Perfect, Andrew. It is also

wise to delineate between a

formal guru-chela dyad, which

is completely and mutually

volitional, and an incidental

teacher-pupil relationship,

e.g. Mrs. Besant's role vis a

vis the young, virtually

kidnapped Krishnamurti.

Despite his famous break with

Theosophy, he was her

affectionate correspondent

until her death, regarding

her as a maternal figure

rather than his guru.

 

 

http://come.to/realization

http://www.atman.net/realization

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

 

 

http://come.to/realization

http://www.atman.net/realization

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

 

_________________

Why pay more to get Web access?

Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW!

Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

[Guest guest]

Dear Harsha,

> ----------

> Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)[sMTP:hluthar]

> Friday, December 03, 1999 6:21 AM

> (AT) onelist (DOT) com; NondualitySalon (AT) onelist (DOT) com

> Ramana Maharshi and Krishnamurti

>

> "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

>

>

> Bruce Wrote:

>

> Of course a great many

> Jnanis also inspire intense

> devotion, as the example of

> Ramana Maharshi certainly

> indicates. There is no

> such thing as "pure" Jnana

> any more than there is

> "pure" Bhakti, and even the

> most rigorous of Jnani's

> often find themselves in the

> role of "personal guru." Of

> course K strongly disapproved

> of this, so his sycophants

> simply waited for his body to

> die.

>

> ________________________

> __

> ____________

> Good points Bruce. Someone asked Ramana once about Krishnamurti's claim

> that

> no Guru was needed. Ramana Maharshi simply said, "How did he do it then,"

> clearly pointing to the role of Krishnamurti's mentors (Annie Besant,

> etc.).

> The Sage further added as a side, "One can say such things afterwards but

> not before (Realization)."

>

What about the first one who found (Realization)?

Just want to know :-)

 

With Love,

Nasir

[Guest guest]

 

Bruce Morgen [editor]

Thursday, December 02, 1999 7:51 PM

Re: Ramana Maharshi and Krishnamurti

 

Bruce Morgen <editor

 

 

 

On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:29:45 -0400 andrew macnab

<a.macnab writes:

> andrew macnab <a.macnab

>

> > "One can say such things afterwards but

> > not before (Realization)."

> >

> > Harsha

>

> It's obvious one can not say such a thing before, how would one

> know?;^)

>

Perfect, Andrew. It is also

wise to delineate between a

formal guru-chela dyad, which

is completely and mutually

volitional, and an incidental

teacher-pupil relationship,

e.g. Mrs. Besant's role vis a

vis the young, virtually

kidnapped Krishnamurti.

Despite his famous break with

Theosophy, he was her

affectionate correspondent

until her death, regarding

her as a maternal figure

rather than his guru.

 

 

 

The question boils down to what is a Guru? Guru is the Self. Outwardly, it

may be a maternal figure or a paternal figure, or a writer whose words have

touched the heart and given insight, etc. Guidance might be provided outside

the traditional Guru-Chela dyad. Knowing the Self, one might no longer

identify the Guru with a particular physical body. One need not immediately

end the relationship with that physical body either after Realization.

 

Harsha

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:33:57 -0500 "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)"

<hluthar writes:

> "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

>

> Bruce Morgen <editor

>

> On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:29:45 -0400 andrew macnab

> <a.macnab writes:

> > andrew macnab <a.macnab

> >

> > > "One can say such things afterwards but

> > > not before (Realization)."

> > >

> > > Harsha

> >

> > It's obvious one can not say such a thing before, how would one

> > know?;^)

> >

> Perfect, Andrew. It is also

> wise to delineate between a

> formal guru-chela dyad, which

> is completely and mutually

> volitional, and an incidental

> teacher-pupil relationship,

> e.g. Mrs. Besant's role vis a

> vis the young, virtually

> kidnapped Krishnamurti.

> Despite his famous break with

> Theosophy, he was her

> affectionate correspondent

> until her death, regarding

> her as a maternal figure

> rather than his guru.

>

>

>

> The question boils down to what is a Guru? Guru is the Self.

 

Yes, of course!

> Outwardly, it

> may be a maternal figure or a paternal figure, or a writer whose

> words have

> touched the heart and given insight, etc. Guidance might be provided

> outside the traditional Guru-Chela dyad.

 

....and very often is.

> Knowing the Self, one might no longer

> identify the Guru with a particular physical body. One need not

> immediately

> end the relationship with that physical body either after

> Realization.

>

Of course not, the

relationship naturally

changes, but seldom ends.

 

Between your post and Jerry's,

Harsha, the heart of the

matter has been very well

attended to. Thanks to both

of you for the gift of clarity

-- which is also the Guru!

 

 

http://come.to/realization

http://www.atman.net/realization

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

 

_________________

Why pay more to get Web access?

Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW!

Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/03/1999 7:22:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,

janb writes:

 

<<

The jump is only made when there is *no choice left* and that is the mark

of unconditional surrender. The so called "free will" appertains to choices

in the realm of thingness and it could be called an addictive

one-dimensional dance of marginality The "real" choice is between giving

up or enjoying this seemingly "free will" with its associated "whims of the

mind".

 

Unconditional surrender is a pathless path where only one can "go" and

terms of easy/difficult do not apply. If it had to be instructed, it would

require a "God in heaven" to reveal it. Even if it can be proven beyond

doubt that alien instructors provided the backbone of +knowledge of the

Self+, that only moves the question regarding the origin of this knowledge

to another location. So regarding the origin of "the first Jivan Mukta /

Nirvani of a universe" there is no alternative but the pathless path of

unconditional surrender. >>

 

Morning, I think there is no such thing as *no choice left* it is

an act of *Grace* if I have a mystic experience or some other

experience, dying for example, physical, or emotional/psychological/astral

or mental/intuitive/soul ... this is path of spiral ever upwards. In

other words, there is no "arrived" at state. I didn't win the race,

get the degree, finish the work, I think this is very Western, and

I think a Master would agree that they are ever-evolving. This

goes back to the discussion we have of "Where am I?"

 

It would be like saying "physics is finished." Or, "art is finished." Some

brilliant Master has come along and he began and finished "it." And,

then just hangs about saying, "you see, I finished *it*" as though

anything is finally evolved to its complete end, such that creationism

is an ever evolving unit of love and light moving ever into itself

and back out again, like cosmic breathing, like the universe breathing

itself into and out of existence, with a source, a *one* unchanging

eternal wave of love riding underneath.

 

So, when someone says "I'm there." "I finished." It seems to me

that perhaps this person, like a star has collapsed as a black hole

and is ready to explode back out creating the next act of creationism.

Such that love is an ever evolving source with ever yet more rays

to experience ever yet more love to share with others, like energy

spreading out like the ripples on the pond, the water moving around

the rocks so as to "do no harm" but like butter in cream not seperated.

 

I find this difficult to articulate but this concept of "stopI arrived" is

something that I do not apprehend in the universe around me, the Sun itself

does not stop, neither does the Galactic Center, nor the air, nor the water.

What is "Stop, I arrived?" You see? One dies more than once,

the physical, emotional/astral/psychological, then mental/mind/intuitive,

and so on, we're going to end is some very abtruse terminology here,

but it is the experience(s) not the terminology which are in need

of clarification.

 

So, again, we arrive back to "Where am I?" Did "I arrive?" Having

thought early on in the kundalini experience of fire decades ago,

"oh, i got it," and then several more times of "oh, I got it," I now

think "I got it," is well I can't think of elegant ways to phrase it,

let's just say "got" isn't it ... you see? Again, I think it's extremely

Western to say "I arrived," our entire conditioning works to "finish"

the goal, the degree(s), the experience, etc. "Finished" is dead

and not returning, even ash returns to the soil and is fertilizer (yes,

I know the chemistry of ash). "Finished" can even return and

continue to evolve and help humanity to evolve, but in returning

is continuing his/her evolution.

 

Actually, this reminds me of an experience I had when I asked to

see where my father had gone soon after his death, such that,

even when we die, there are layers we move through, and

evolution of the Soul or Spirit.

 

Sooooooo, this is said with love, I am asking, and sharing, and

you may agree or disagree, love y'all anyway *g*

 

By the way Gen, welcome home, great to hear from you!

 

~ bo ~

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/3/99 5:22:26 AM Mountain Standard Time,

janb writes:

 

<< an addictive

one-dimensional dance of marginality >>

 

Holy mackerel, Jan, you've outdone yourself this time! Remember Flatland?

All I can picture are millions of Flatlanders flailing about as if possessed.

H.

[Guest guest]

On 12/2/99 at 10:19 PM RainboLily wrote:

>

>In a message dated 12/02/1999 10:03:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>janb writes:

>

><<

> This spontaneous recognition is a rather likely scenario in primitive but

> easy going cultures with little conditioning. Anyone having had a bright

> flash of recognition can intuitively know that unconditional bliss will

be

> a fact with the permanent removal of this conditioning: at first, the

> virtual unit called "I" and then, if energy allows, the powerful feelings

> from the body.

>

> Jan

> >>

>Dagnabit Jan, now I *see* yes, you are right ... !

>How did you manage to jump the entire Grand Canyon

>in one jump?

>

>Thank God we both understand the term dry wit

>in the wet country :-)

>

>L*L*L

>Annette

 

The jump is only made when there is *no choice left* and that is the mark

of unconditional surrender. The so called "free will" appertains to choices

in the realm of thingness and it could be called an addictive

one-dimensional dance of marginality The "real" choice is between giving

up or enjoying this seemingly "free will" with its associated "whims of the

mind".

 

Unconditional surrender is a pathless path where only one can "go" and

terms of easy/difficult do not apply. If it had to be instructed, it would

require a "God in heaven" to reveal it. Even if it can be proven beyond

doubt that alien instructors provided the backbone of +knowledge of the

Self+, that only moves the question regarding the origin of this knowledge

to another location. So regarding the origin of "the first Jivan Mukta /

Nirvani of a universe" there is no alternative but the pathless path of

unconditional surrender.

 

As this, like the food issue, is a "regular", I once wrote a story about

it.

 

Jan

------------------

Who knows the origin of meditation systems / yoga ?

 

First, a few assumptions have to be made.

 

1) Karma is a Multi Dimensional Texture of time/space/causation (MDT)

2) Surrender to God, culminating in strong bhakti, has the potential to

create wormholes

in this MDT: put in simple language, the Grace of God intervenes and

miracles will happen.

3) The wormholes, thus created, are divided in two main-categories:

a) Wormholes for fully enlightened Masters, no restrictions.

b) Wormholes with restrictions, resulting only in local miracles for

"lesser" Masters,

yogis and devotees. In a collective, the devotion adds up as

is shown on

pilgrimages etc., causing many local miracles like cures and

apparitions of saints.

Because of 3a, it is possible to go back in time and appear as a kind of

God for a young intelligent race with a developing potential to know and

realize the Self. Myths and legends mention this (it was unknowingly abused

by white colonialists). After a certain time, some members of the young

race will experience 3b and become convincing teachers themselves. Some of

them will after a long practice then fall under 3a - ancient history

mentions this. When this happens, it is a sign of "mission accomplished"

and AUM (A Universal Master) will leave. Because the Master will try to

"save" as many as possible during this cycle and jivas are moving forward

in

time, (s)he has to start with the newest intelligent race, often his/her

own.

Then, continuing the process, one Master finally reaches the time, when

intelligent life in our universe manifested for the very first time. So,

seen on a linear time-scale in our universe, yoga (and any other system)

really never was created anywhere: in one form or another, it has always

been there - it will always be there. Likewise, the same goes for the

entire MDT.

 

 

----------

----

[Guest guest]

Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

 

> Someone asked Ramana once about Krishnamurti's claim that

> no Guru was needed. Ramana Maharshi simply said, "How did he do it then,"

> clearly pointing to the role of Krishnamurti's mentors (Annie Besant, etc.).

> The Sage further added as a side, "One can say such things afterwards but

> not before (Realization)."

>

> Harsha

>

 

In K.'s own case, according to his description there was no guru in the

sense of a physical embodied person, however there was an image of the

Lord Maitreya which he held in his mind. I think in his statement that

no guru is needed his intent is to warn people against trying to become

his disciples, that they do not need to do that to become realized. Even

in 1928, before he broke with the theosophists, he said;

 

"I say again that I have no disciples. Every one of you is a disciple of

the Truth if you understand the Truth and do not follow individuals...

The only manner of attaining Truth is to become disciples of the Truth

itself without a mediator...Truth does not give hope, it gives

understanding...I refuse to be your crutch. I am not going to be brought

into a cage for your worship...I am not concerned with societies, with

religions, with dogmas, but I am concerned with life because I am Life."

 

love, andrew

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/03/1999 4:40:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kvy9 writes:

 

<<

Many patients, in the last phase of a painful terminal disease

have no choice but ... to die. Suppose one's "most loved one"

would be kidnapped by a clairvoyant, asking a big ransom.

Would there be any choice left but to pay?

 

R: Jan, this has nothing at all to do with the discussion at hand and is

a huge red-herring segueway, so, next time using the red herring in a

debate please don't be so dramatic, really, Jan! After all, we have a saying

in Holland, guests like fish, espeicially red-herrings, get old, *g* and, what

happens when the fish gets old, eh?

 

J: A path ever

upwards? That has to be a joke. The "nameless" is without

up/down or other -wards. In fact there is nothing but the

"nameless."

 

R: Okay, I'm laughing, it's a joke, yes nameless or love is everywhere

all the time.

 

J: Evolving, that has to be a joke too -- for instance

if one is looking at old paintings of "primitive man" and

paintings of "modern man":) But from "where" would a

perspective of "upwards, evolving" arise? Could it be from the

"I," marveling at manifestations, a mind, constructed to

serialize events in terms of cause and effect? In that case,

#where am "I"# is easy to answer: in a mind-body

 

R: Now, this actually is getting to something has at least a glimmer

of light to offer what it is that we are actually discussing :-). But,

the answer *in a mind-body* does not speak to the question.

 

Jan

>>

Rainbo

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/03/1999 6:27:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kvy9 writes:

 

<<

j: The discussion was about the question "What about the first

one who found (Realization)?". There have been several

instances of what to you seems an impossible jump. That

started of your fish meal. Good appetite

>>

The discussion was: "Is there only a *first* realization?"

 

Or, is this a path to discovering more of the river of love

or the crystalline holographic sculpture of love or more of

the rays of this? My discussion is that *first* is also *last*

for many it seems and this seems to me a pity as well as

limited...

 

Yes, salmon's great and Dad used to run from the KLM

flight to the closest kipper stand, no matter how

hot, cold or what time of day/night the plane

landed, laughing, missing his dutch fish :-)

But on the Isles you must enjoy fabulous fish?

 

Annette

[Guest guest]

On 12/3/99 at 8:56 AM RainboLily wrote:

 

[...]

>Morning, I think there is no such thing as *no choice left*

it is

>an act of *Grace* if I have a mystic experience or some other

>experience, dying for example, physical, or

emotional/psychological/astral

>or mental/intuitive/soul ... this is path of spiral ever

upwards. In

>other words, there is no "arrived" at state. I didn't win

the race,

>get the degree, finish the work, I think this is very

Western, and

>I think a Master would agree that they are ever-evolving.

This

>goes back to the discussion we have of "Where am I?"

 

Many patients, in the last phase of a painful terminal disease

have no choice but ... to die. Suppose one's "most loved one"

would be kidnapped by a clairvoyant, asking a big ransom.

Would there be any choice left but to pay? A path ever

upwards? That has to be a joke. The "nameless" is without

up/down or other -wards. In fact there is nothing but the

"nameless". Evolving, that has to be a joke too - for instance

if one is looking at old paintings of "primitive man" and

paintings of "modern man":) But from "where" would a

perspective of "upwards, evolving" arise? Could it be from the

"I", marveling at manifestations, a mind, constructed to

serialize events in terms of cause and effect? In that case,

#where am "I"# is easy to answer: in a mind-body

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

On 12/3/99 at 5:10 PM RainboLily wrote:

>RainboLily

>

>In a message dated 12/03/1999 4:40:19 PM Eastern Standard

Time,

>kvy9 writes:

>

><<

> Many patients, in the last phase of a painful terminal

disease

> have no choice but ... to die. Suppose one's "most loved

one"

> would be kidnapped by a clairvoyant, asking a big ransom.

> Would there be any choice left but to pay?

>

>R: Jan, this has nothing at all to do with the discussion at

hand and is

>a huge red-herring segueway, so, next time using the red

herring in a

>debate please don't be so dramatic, really, Jan! After all,

we have a saying

>in Holland, guests like fish, espeicially red-herrings, get

old, *g* and, what

>happens when the fish gets old, eh?

 

j: The discussion was about the question "What about the first

one who found (Realization)?". There have been several

instances of what to you seems an impossible jump. That

started of your fish meal. Good appetite

[Guest guest]

On 12/3/99 at 8:26 PM RainboLily wrote:

>In a message dated 12/03/1999 6:27:35 PM Eastern Standard

Time,

>kvy9 writes:

>

><<

> j: The discussion was about the question "What about the

first

> one who found (Realization)?". There have been several

> instances of what to you seems an impossible jump. That

> started of your fish meal. Good appetite

> >>

>The discussion was: "Is there only a *first* realization?"

>

>Or, is this a path to discovering more of the river of love

>or the crystalline holographic sculpture of love or more of

>the rays of this? My discussion is that *first* is also

*last*

>for many it seems and this seems to me a pity as well as

>limited...

 

I made remarks on that theme several times but the evidence is

mounting that has been in vain No problem, no repeats.

When the practitioner is ready, the appropriate text will

appear (variant of a classical saying).

>Yes, salmon's great and Dad used to run from the KLM

>flight to the closest kipper stand, no matter how

>hot, cold or what time of day/night the plane

>landed, laughing, missing his dutch fish :-)

>But on the Isles you must enjoy fabulous fish?

>

>Annette

 

There is a place where the dolphins sometimes jump out of the

water as a kind of greeting. Very nice to see. Dolphins and

whales are one of the standard tourist attractions. Apart from

that, there are fish hunting tours as well. Many fish is eaten

here; I don't as the smell of dead fish doesn't exactly raise

the appetite and living fish looks a lot better than dead. One

of the tourist attractions is a great aquarium where one is

easily convinced of that.

 

Jan

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/03/1999 8:53:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kvy9 writes:

 

<<

I made remarks on that theme several times but the evidence is

mounting that has been in vain No problem, no repeats.

When the practitioner is ready, the appropriate text will

appear (variant of a classical saying).

 

I thought the same :-)))

 

There is a place where the dolphins sometimes jump out of the

water as a kind of greeting. Very nice to see. Dolphins and

whales are one of the standard tourist attractions. Apart from

that, there are fish hunting tours as well. One

of the tourist attractions is a great aquarium where one is

easily convinced of that.

 

Jan

>>

A few years ago, I lived for a Summer on Chincoteague,

an island here. I used to swim out to the

sand bar, about half a mile out, where I could stand up

and then watch the dolphins play, it is very beautiful.

Once, early on in my daily swim, I mistook a dolphin for

a shark, I flew back to the shore, everyone was laughing

when I arrived *g*.

 

Love and Light,

Annette

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/04/1999 9:37:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

bshanti writes:

 

<< rainbo-annette-sisterwoman!

i love your dolphin shark story! imagine if it had been just a rope!

 

(and thank you for the welcome home, i've thought of you many times

these past days, and even dedicated a rainbow to you one morning as it

glowed through me to the sky!)

 

heart laughing

gen

>>

Gen-bshanti-Aleks

 

Lucky Heart Angel Sister you! Imagine a ~ rainbow ~ glowing

through one, now that is an experience !!!

 

Here's a rainbow for you :-)

 

Heart Love,

Annette

[Guest guest]

rainbo-annette-sisterwoman!

i love your dolphin shark story! imagine if it had been just a rope!

 

(and thank you for the welcome home, i've thought of you many times

these past days, and even dedicated a rainbow to you one morning as it

glowed through me to the sky!)

 

heart laughing

gen

 

 

RainboLily

 

In a message dated 12/03/1999 8:53:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kvy9 writes:

 

<<

I made remarks on that theme several times but the evidence is

mounting that has been in vain No problem, no repeats.

When the practitioner is ready, the appropriate text will

appear (variant of a classical saying).

 

I thought the same :-)))

 

There is a place where the dolphins sometimes jump out of the

water as a kind of greeting. Very nice to see. Dolphins and

whales are one of the standard tourist attractions. Apart from

that, there are fish hunting tours as well. One

of the tourist attractions is a great aquarium where one is

easily convinced of that.

 

Jan

>>

A few years ago, I lived for a Summer on Chincoteague,

an island here. I used to swim out to the

sand bar, about half a mile out, where I could stand up

and then watch the dolphins play, it is very beautiful.

Once, early on in my daily swim, I mistook a dolphin for

a shark, I flew back to the shore, everyone was laughing

when I arrived *g*.

 

Love and Light,

Annette

 

All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean,

all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does

not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is.

Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into

It Self. Welcome all to a.