Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 amirah (Yakov Leib haKohain (Lawrence G. Corey, Ph.D.)) -------------------- Dear Chaverim, [NOTE: The previous ten lectures in this series can be found at the Donmeh West Library, .] "Matter is nothing but gravitationally trapped light." -- Jack Sarfatti, Ph.D. With the preceding introduction of this second scientific concept of Homeostatic Systems, the Kabbalistic doctrine of Shevirit HaKelim ("The Shattering of the Vessels"), as we have come to understand it though the work of Isaac Luria, now can be explained and understood almost completely as an archetypal content created in the vast collective unconscious at the moment of the primordial Big Bang. The profound numinousity of this archetype probably results from the unimaginable psychic power it receives as a reflection of the Big Bang, and also from its excessive antiquity. These two qualities -- unimaginable power and antiquity beyond time, coupled with its nexus to creation -- inspire those in whom it constellates a breathless awe and amazed reverence. The Structure of Tikkun To summarize, the preceding considerations suggest that the Shevirit HaKelim is an archetypal event in the Collective Unconscious that anticipates and mirrors the primordial data of Creation as they are coming to be discovered and understood by the modern science of astrophysics. What are mirrored in this archetype are cosmological events of such antiquity and cataclysmic proportions that the mind is unable either to envision or comprehend them fully. From a psychospiritual perspective, this implies that the archetype of Shevirit HaKelim (and the Tikkun which repairs it) is invested with a degree of psychic energy almost equal to that of the Big Bang from which it and the entire universe was created, and its excessive antiquity places it at the very deepest layers of the Collective Psyche. This point is illustrated by the following quotation from the physicist, Nigel Henbest: Within the first one-millinonth of a second after the Big Bang, matter as we know it did not exist. There were no atoms, just sub-atomic particles. And in this inferno of heat and pressure, there was antimatter, too . . . Just after the Big Bang, radiation was so intense that it created a whole jostling sea of particles and antiparticles [i.e., the Nitzotzot, or Holy Sparks, similarly described in Neo-Sabbatian cosmology]. There is every reason to expect equal amounts of each. By the time the universe was a couple of seconds old, though, all the quarks and anti-quarks [i.e., the Nitzotzot and their Kelippotim, or "Evil Husks"] should have been annihilated, and all the electrons and protons too . . . But if all the matter and antimatter were were annihilated, the universe should be empty save for radiation. There should be no matter left to make atoms, to constitute the gases that could eventually turn into galaxies. But since there are stars. there is matter in the present universe, so it is obvious that all the matter was not wiped out . . . . There must have been an imbalance between matter and antimatter [i.e., the Holy Sparks and their entrapping Husks] in the first moments of the universe that left some matter around after the great annihilation [i.e.,the Shevirit HaKelim]. (ibid, Sarfatti, Space, Time and Beyond) What seems evident here is that the Shevirit HaKelim described by Luria, and the Tikkun (or need for reconsolidation of its component matter) was the psychic nexus of the cosmological "inferno of heat and pressure" that accompanied the Big Bang. Another conclusion is that the "Holy Sparks" resulting from the "Shattering of the Vessels" in Neo-Sabbatian Kabbalah are the archetypal counterpart to the "jostling sea of particles and antiparticles" said by Henbest to have occurred in the "first one-millionth of a second" after the Big Bang. [To be continued] Raising up the Holy Sparks together, Yakov Leib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 Hi, Physics is really fairly simple common sense unless buried in the equations, the overview is not complicated. Einstein spent the remainder of his life looking for the Grand Unified Field equation... or GUT Theory, but the mystic experiences the GUT Theory. In his/her vision the mystic experience of love, the divine energy of love, as a Christian would interpret it; or the mysticism of knowledge amongst Buddhists, actualized awareness on an ultimate nondual unitive level of mind, or the Advaita Vedanta, where there is no transcendent other a purely immanent approach. In Qabalah, the vessel means chakras, which sheds alot of light on the text quoted. L*L*L rainbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 Dear Bruce: Thank you for your thoughts, on the e=mc2, it is simply that matter is energy and energy is mass. How fast the mass becomes energy depends on alot of variables, but we all know that all atoms spin, nothing is constant, seeing the energy of love is just that, seeing the energy which imbues everything and that it is all one. The Dalai Lama wrote on the movement of energy as this path:> Aether > Air > Fire > Water > Earth, which is a traditionally occult understanding. For those who may be interested there was an English Benedictine monk, Bede Griffiths, who bridged the Benedictine and Indian traditions, a great contemplative, he concerned himself with running Shantivanam, the ashram founded by Monchanin and Abishiktananda (Le Saux, an extraordinary French mystic who plunged into sannyasi) who bridged both religions as well as science -- discoveries in quantum mechanics and biology, Sheldrake's theory of morphogenic fields and discoveries in transpersonal psychology -- "he transformed the old antagonism between spirituality and science into a congenial relationship." Griffiths wrote River of Compassion. Extracted from The Mystic Heart by Wayne Teasdale, on this new path of interspirituality. A bit on Abhishiktananda from his Saccidananda: Here there is no question of theologizing or of academic comparison between the terms of the Christian revelation and those in which India has expressed its own unique mystical experience. It is rather a matter of an awakening, an awareness far beyond the reach of intellect, and experience which springs up and erupts in the deepest recesses of the soul. The experience of Saccidananda carries the soul beyond all merely intellectual knowledge to her very center, to the source of her being. Only there is she able to hear the Word which reveals within the undivided unity and advaita of Saccidananda, the mystery of the Three divine Persons: in Sat, the Father, the absolute Beginning and Source of being; in Cit, the Son, the divine Word, the Father's Self-knowledge; in Ananda the Spirit of love, Fullness and Bliss without end. Mystic Heart: "Abshishiktananda was a rare hybrid mystic spanning two traditions. His life of inner discovery cost him dearly, he suffered terrible doubt, anguish and loneliness. As one of the first Christian mystics to enter the realm of advaitic mysticism, he had no one to turn to." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 In a message dated 12/29/1999 3:54:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, RainboLily writes: << Abishiktananda (Le Saux, >> Excuse me, unclear, Henri Le Saux was a Benedictine monk who later became known as Abhishiktananda, or "the Bliss of the Annointed One" while living in Southern India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 This proposed correlation of physics and scientific cosmology to various nondual and other sacred traditions is pretty heady stuff, and rather tough sledding for those lacking a modicum of scientific training. It is also very controversial among scientists, where it might well be noted there is quite a strong consensus that folks like Dr. Jack Sarfatti have gravely misinterpreted and misrepresented the science involved. The NonDuality Salon website has several interesting links on related topics under "Nonduality and Physics" at the following URL: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/context.htm As a non-scientist, I tend to stay neutral on such matters, but perhaps someone with the requisite scientific education and/or experience would like to comment on this fascinating confluence of enquiry traditions. On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:25:01 EST RainboLily writes: > RainboLily > > amirah (Yakov Leib haKohain (Lawrence G. > Corey, Ph.D.)) > > -------------------- > > Dear Chaverim, > > [NOTE: The previous ten lectures in this series can be found at the > Donmeh West Library, .] > > "Matter is nothing but gravitationally trapped light." -- Jack > Sarfatti, > Ph.D. > [snip] http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 At 11:33 AM 12/29/99 -0500, Bruce Morgen wrote: >Bruce Morgen <editor >It is >also very controversial >among scientists, where it >might well be noted there is >quite a strong consensus >that folks like Dr. Jack >Sarfatti have gravely >misinterpreted and >misrepresented the science >involved. The NonDuality >Salon website has several >interesting links on related >topics under "Nonduality and >Physics" at the following URL: > >http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/context.htm Bruce, The Sarfatti controversy sounds interesting. Does the NDS site have info on that? --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 In a message dated 12/29/1999 4:31:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, editor writes: << Sorry, can't parse much sense out of the above, it seems loaded with leaps of faith and very imprecise implications of equivalence. The Dalai Lama reference seems particularly out of left field in the context of Einstein. > >> Sorry, have done alot of thinking on this and thought that most people interested in spirituality would have explored as well, I believe the material quoted by Jerry from Raphael went into this in depth on his list. Too long to get into here, and I do jump, thinking most can follow here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 Dear Greg, I just took down the site, I'll put it back up later this evening or tomorrow morning, it's a direct quote from the Dalai Lama, or I could send as a jpg, i'm running out the door right now, let me know which you'd prefer, doesn't matter to me ;-) Annette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:40:23 -0500 Greg Goode <goode writes: > Greg Goode <goode > > At 11:33 AM 12/29/99 -0500, Bruce Morgen wrote: > >Bruce Morgen <editor > >It is > >also very controversial > >among scientists, where it > >might well be noted there is > >quite a strong consensus > >that folks like Dr. Jack > >Sarfatti have gravely > >misinterpreted and > >misrepresented the science > >involved. The NonDuality > >Salon website has several > >interesting links on related > >topics under "Nonduality and > >Physics" at the following URL: > > > >http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/context.htm > > Bruce, > > The Sarfatti controversy sounds interesting. Does the NDS site have > info on that? > No, although it does link to Henry Stapp, who is somehow related to it. I only know about it because of a spate of crossposting onto alt.consciousness and alt.meditation about two years back. Perhaps the best starting point is Sarfatti's own site: http://www.stardrive.org -- the URL itself indicates where Sarfatti sees all this as leading to. Engage -- warp factor *MU*! When you return from your expedition, perhaps you'll be able to suggest some more links to Jerry. http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 At 12:11 PM 12/29/99 -0500, Bruce Morgen wrote: >> The Sarfatti controversy sounds interesting. Does the NDS site have >> info on that? >> >No, although it does link >to Henry Stapp, who is >somehow related to it. I >only know about it because >of a spate of crossposting >onto alt.consciousness and >alt.meditation about two >years back. Perhaps the >best starting point is >Sarfatti's own site: >http://www.stardrive.org >-- the URL itself indicates >where Sarfatti sees all >this as leading to. Engage >-- warp factor *MU*! > >When you return from your >expedition, perhaps you'll be >able to suggest some more >links to Jerry. I've got my MU-warp helmet on, am looking at Sarfatti's site, but still haven't found anything there that relates science to the core of all existence, or whatever he'd call it. Will keep looking. I am getting an idea of why his approach might be seen as misrepresenting science. He links science to entertainment, UFO's, conspiracy theories, etc. Not all academically respectable. More later! Love, --Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:28:38 EST RainboLily writes: > RainboLily > > Hi, > > Physics is really fairly simple common sense unless > buried in the equations, the overview is not complicated. I agree in respect to Newtonian physics, with a couple of centuries of industrialization at this point it certainly has become of part of consensus culture and therefore "common sense." Einsteinian notions are just beginning to become part of "common sense," but the absorption process is far from complete. Action = Reaction is lot more inuitive than e=mc squared -- perhaps because it's so much more easily observed in day-to-day life. Quantum and post-quantum physics don't seem at all susceptible to "common sense," but maybe I'm just unusually thick or too intimidated to jump in and immerse myself in them. > > Einstein spent the remainder of his life looking for the > Grand Unified Field equation... or GUT Theory, but > the mystic experiences the GUT Theory. He may sense the unity, but he cannot quantify the experience -- that is also what eluded Einstein, who was more than a bit of a mystic himself. > In his/her > vision the mystic > experience of love, the divine energy of love, as a > Christian would interpret it; or the mysticism of knowledge > amongst Buddhists, actualized awareness on an ultimate > nondual unitive level of mind, or the Advaita Vedanta, > where there is no transcendent other a purely immanent > approach. There is quite a difference between such awareness and formularizing what that awareness reveals as a demonstrably credible scientific theory. > > In Qabalah, the vessel means chakras, which sheds alot > of light on the text quoted. > If I was more interested in acquiring yet another tradition-specific mystical lexicon I'd be sure to follow up on this. Both the physics and the mysticism referred to strike me as being quite intellect- heavy in expression, if not in essence, and therefore not my cup of cha. http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:53:47 EST RainboLily writes: > Dear Bruce: > > Thank you for your thoughts, on the e=mc2, it is simply that > matter is energy and energy is mass. The equivalence of matter and energy is easy enough to grasp and was intuited long before Einstein -- but Einstein's insight has many other implications that are not at all intuitive -- the role of "c" (the speed of light) as a constant, and time as a fourth dimension are just two of those non- intuitive implications. > How fast the mass > becomes energy depends on alot of variables, but we all know > that all atoms spin, nothing is constant, seeing the energy of > love is just that, seeing the energy which imbues everything and > that it is all one. The Dalai Lama wrote on the movement > of energy as this path:> Aether > Air > Fire > Water > Earth, > which is a traditionally occult understanding. Sorry, can't parse much sense out of the above, it seems loaded with leaps of faith and very imprecise implications of equivalence. The Dalai Lama reference seems particularly out of left field in the context of Einstein. > [snipped yet another random leap into an entirely different topic] http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 For me the jump wasn't so abrupt. I'd like to see the Dalai Lama's discussion on it, as I haven't seen Buddhists discuss these same 5 elements. I've usually seen it in Hinduism. Love, --Greg At 04:45 PM 12/29/99 EST, RainboLily wrote: >RainboLily > >In a message dated 12/29/1999 4:31:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, >editor writes: > ><< > Sorry, can't parse much > sense out of the above, > it seems loaded with > leaps of faith and very > imprecise implications > of equivalence. The > Dalai Lama reference > seems particularly out > of left field in the > context of Einstein. > > >> >Sorry, have done alot of thinking on this and thought that most >people interested in spirituality would have explored as well, I >believe the material quoted by Jerry from Raphael went into >this in depth on his list. Too long to get into here, and I do >jump, thinking most can follow here. > >>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 Bruce Morgen wrote: > > Bruce Morgen <editor > > This proposed correlation of > physics and scientific > cosmology to various nondual > and other sacred traditions > is pretty heady stuff, and > rather tough sledding for > those lacking a modicum of > scientific training. It is > also very controversial > among scientists, where it > might well be noted there is > quite a strong consensus > that folks like Dr. Jack > Sarfatti have gravely > misinterpreted and > misrepresented the science > involved. The NonDuality > Salon website has several > interesting links on related > topics under "Nonduality and > Physics" at the following URL: > > http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/context.htm > > As a non-scientist, I tend to > stay neutral on such matters, > but perhaps someone with the > requisite scientific education > and/or experience would like > to comment on this > fascinating confluence of > enquiry traditions. > Dr Nick Herbert (http://members.cruzio.com/~quanta/)has an interesting and sexy approach to physics and nonduality, quantum tantra (http://members.cruzio.com/~quanta/qtantra1.html) "I want to woo Her, not view Her, Pet Reality until She purrs" --Nick Herbert love, andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:45:42 EST RainboLily writes: > RainboLily > > In a message dated 12/29/1999 4:31:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, > editor writes: > > << > Sorry, can't parse much > sense out of the above, > it seems loaded with > leaps of faith and very > imprecise implications > of equivalence. The > Dalai Lama reference > seems particularly out > of left field in the > context of Einstein. > > >> > Sorry, have done alot of thinking on this and thought that most > people interested in spirituality would have explored as well, Sorry, I am neither a "spirituality" hobbyist nor a science buff. > I believe the material quoted by Jerry from Raphael went into > this in depth on his list. Too long to get into here, and I do > jump, thinking most can follow here. > No problem -- even the best bread thrown upon waters just gets soggy most of the time. What you wrote comes across as muddleheaded, but maybe you're just spiritually advanced beyond my ken. http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 Annette, If you could send the text or URL that would be easier than a graphic image. No hurry; thanks a lot! --Greg At 05:02 PM 12/29/99 EST, RainboLily wrote: >RainboLily > >Dear Greg, > >I just took down the site, I'll put it back up later this evening or tomorrow >morning, it's a direct quote from the Dalai Lama, or I could send as >a jpg, i'm running out the door right now, let me know which you'd >prefer, doesn't matter to me ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 1999 Report Share Posted December 29, 1999 On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:59:08 -0500 Greg Goode <goode writes: > Greg Goode <goode > > For me the jump wasn't so abrupt. I'd like to see the Dalai Lama's > discussion on it, as I haven't seen Buddhists discuss these same 5 > elements. I've usually seen it in Hinduism. > I can certainly understand your interest as a participant in Buddhist practice. Perhaps you could help me understand its relation to Einsteinian relativity beyond the aforementioned equivalence of matter and energy. "Aether" = electromagnetism(?) invisible wave phenomena(?) "Air" = gaseous matter(?) "Fire" = radiated energy(?) heat(?) visible light(?) "Water" = liquid matter(?) "Earth" = solid matter(?) Am I being too literal here? Your input, as well as 'bo's, would be appreciated. > Love, > > --Greg > Thanks in advance -- Bruce > > At 04:45 PM 12/29/99 EST, RainboLily wrote: > >RainboLily > > > >In a message dated 12/29/1999 4:31:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >editor writes: > > > ><< > > Sorry, can't parse much > > sense out of the above, > > it seems loaded with > > leaps of faith and very > > imprecise implications > > of equivalence. The > > Dalai Lama reference > > seems particularly out > > of left field in the > > context of Einstein. > > > >> > >Sorry, have done alot of thinking on this and thought that most > >people interested in spirituality would have explored as well, I > >believe the material quoted by Jerry from Raphael went into > >this in depth on his list. Too long to get into here, and I do > >jump, thinking most can follow here. > > > >>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, > sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It > is > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the > Finality > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of > Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to > a. > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme./ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------ > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of > the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is > always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know > the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee > relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from > within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 1999 Report Share Posted December 30, 1999 Bruce, You certainly provided a good equivalence between the ancient system of elements and modern scientific categories. I don't have any information on how it relates to Einsteinian relativity, but I can fill in some more correspondences at the 5 levels, which probably isn't too helpful for what you asked for. The correspondences of the 5 levels come from Advaita Vedanta, Shankara's Tattva Bodha, and Western esotericism including Tarot and Kabbala. They capture the ways that ancient symbolic systems related to the human and to the world. So maybe not so different from any categories we'd insert for relativity, which is not unlike a symbolic system. I'll add to your chart below. References to the Katha Upanishad (K.U.) are to Sloka [i.iii.3]. Maybe something will strike a chord, probably not :-) Bruce: >I can certainly understand >your interest as a >participant in Buddhist >practice. Perhaps you >could help me understand >its relation to >Einsteinian relativity >beyond the aforementioned >equivalence of matter and >energy. "Aether" ========= electromagnetism(?) invisible wave phenomena(?) space, ears/hearing, the Akasa deity, omniscience, anandamayakosa (bliss sheath), causal body, deep sleep, Atman or the master of the chariot in the Katha Upanishad analogy, Isvara or omniscient personal god as the utilizer of the power of Maya. Buddha images have elongated ears as a symbol of omniscience. "Air" ====== gaseous matter(?) skin/touch, the Vaya deity, judgment, vijnanamayakosha (intellect sheath), subtle body, Taijasa the dreamer in the dream state, Hiranyagarbha the cosmic totality, the charioteer in the K.U. analogy, Libra/Aquarius/Gemini, eagle/scorpion, St. John, salamanders, swords, gold, south, Heh and Aleph, creative "Fire" ======= radiated energy(?), heat(?), visible light(?) eyes/sight, the Surya deity, volition, manomayakosa (mental sheath), subtle body, Taijasa the dreamer in the dream state, Hiranyagarbha the cosmic totality, the reins of the chariot (doubt/agitation) in the K.U. analogy, ego, warmth, archetypical, spiritual, Aries/Sagitarius/Leo, lion, St. Mark, vital heat, sylphs, wands, Yod, red, east "Water" ======== liquid matter(?) tongue/taste, the Varuna deity, pranamayakosa (seat of the 5 vital airs: respiration, excretion, digestion, swallowing, circulation), etheric body, Vaisvanara the Waker, Virat (the world), the horses (senses) in the K.U. analogy, liquid, formative, emotional, Cancer/Scorpio/Pisces, man, St. Matthew, blood, undines, cups, Vau, white, west "Earth" ======== solid matter(?) nose/smell, Asvinu Kumana deity, annamayakosa (food sheath, with the gross components of the organs of action: speech, hands, feet, excretaioin and sexual generation), physical body, all the above elements quintuplicated or combined 1(itself)-to-4(others) to make this level, Vaisvanara the Waker, Virat (the world), the roads (sense objects) in the K.U. analogy, solid, material, physical, Taurus/Virgo/Capricorn, bull, St. Luke, flesh, gnomes, pentacles, Heh, black, north Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 1999 Report Share Posted December 30, 1999 In a message dated 12/29/1999 5:09:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, goode writes: << Annette, If you could send the text or URL that would be easier than a graphic image. No hurry; thanks a lot! --Greg >> Hi Greg, Here's the link and the URL, i don't have the text typed at the moment, it comes from a book written by HRH Dalai Lama, called Ocean of Wisdom <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MariaVan/Shekinah.html">http://members.aol.co m/MariaVan/Shekinah.html</A> L*L*L ~ bo ~ Oh, and Bruce, here's a mirror for the mud~dling~sling~slang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2000 Report Share Posted January 3, 2000 "Matter is nothing but gravitationally trapped light." -- Jack Sarfatti Leaves the question what is gravity?, what is light?, if one thinks he or she is matter. ___________________ On wrap drive: Like on this small animation, at http://www.stardrive.org/ What is the difference than in looking in the center of, lets say, a growing rose like this one: http://pages.infinit.net/carrea/blue_ros.jpg Same bindu, different mandala... I may guess that the size or complexity of a mandala could be what some call the gravitational field or, others, chakras. Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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