RE: [NondualitySalon] Is is phony or what?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Jerry. That is so funny. Will forward this to

and Advaitin.

 

Received this from our own Jerry Katz..................always a fresh breeze

of humor and wit :--).

 

 

Jerry M. Katz [umbada]

Wednesday, January 05, 2000 5:59 AM

NDS

[NondualitySalon] Is is phony or what?

 

Someone do me a favor and go to

 

http://www.vartman.com/soundfiles.html

 

And listen to Vartman on one of the sound files. I listened

for about 5 seconds and had to shut it off. My question is,

Why do all these Satsang people sound the same? The same

pacing. The same pausing. The same eternal tone. The same,

'You see'. The same little humor. The same 'in the moment

importance'.

 

Why do I feel like I'm being sucked into something? Why do I

feel the current Satsang movement is no different than any

religious movement with their intonations and rituals and

fulfillment of expectations?

 

Where is the unpredictability? Where is the rebellion? Why

do I have to turn Vartman off and listen to the hum of my

computer if I want to hear something real?

 

As a boy required to attend synagogue I felt stifled. I felt

more alive and in touch with life when I departed the

synagogue. Somehow I had the insight that just being alone

in the day's sun was as religious and spiritual and Godly as

it gets.

 

Now I have that same feeling with Satsang. It's bullshit.

Just listen to Vartman. You know anyone can say anything

they want with that pacing and tone of voice and it will

sound spiritual and wonderful. Using Vartman's tone, try

saying the following:

 

"I'm going to sue your ass in court ... you see ... you

slimy stinking good for nothing bastard ... you piece of

human garbage, you are the lowest form of human existence

.... you see ... you horrible ..."

 

And don't you hate it when you're reading transcripts of

Satsang and you come upon the clue-in: [laughter]. I hate

that. Just let me read the transcript and I'll decide if

it's funny or not.

 

So what's my point? Nothing holds. Reality is not to be

found in Satsang with all its good feeling and relaxation

and mellowness and truth. Reality is not found. It is known

to be here and now. You see.

 

Jerry

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/00 6:53:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,

hluthar writes:

 

<< So what's my point? Nothing holds. Reality is not to be

found in Satsang with all its good feeling and relaxation

and mellowness and truth. Reality is not found. It is known

to be here and now. You see.

 

Jerry >>

Dear Jerry:

 

Yes, but you are being here and now by way of the Satsangh...and you wouldn't

appreciate the realness of this all, in the heartfelt way you do, except that

you did listen to Vartman bore you to tears.

 

So, each pebble in the road still makes your walk the way it is.

 

Reality? I really do not much value reality anymore...I have had so much of

it lately. I much prefer the gentle delights of kindly exchanges with people

I choose to see as more wonderful and more perfect than they really are. And

as long as I view them in this loving and ideal way, it's funny how often

they approach this ideal.

 

Of course, I am completely mad, and should not be listened to at all. My

words are always the uncomfortable rebellion behind the clouds of unknowing,

through the glass darkly and giggling wildly behind the saffron robes of

quiet meditation.

 

Love & Blessings,

 

Zenbob