Guest guest Posted January 6, 2000 Report Share Posted January 6, 2000 Hi Jerry, funny, how the same thing can trigger two totally different experiences in a human, in this case Vartman's cyber-space-voice. i listened with Rahasya yesterday evening for the first time to Vartman after knowing close to nothing about him before. We immediately got beamed into the kind of satsang atmosphere we normally had only experienced sitting with living enlighteneds, esp. with Maitreya last year in SILENCE. Words are Words and a poor medium to transfer spiritual energy or take away negative energies. This is only possible in the presence of a LIVING enlightened being and happens mostly in Silence. Most Satsangs of course contain also words, questions from disciples,sometimes discourses, i never really cared very much to ask questions in Satsang, i didn't even ask Ramesh in Bombay and the best part for me was at the end when there was devotional singing and i could meditate with closed eyes and when i touched his feet on the next day........ i don't care if Vartman is enlightened or not i'm only thankful to him to be my "catalyst" But you are right about these tendencies in the spiritual satsang-circus, funny again that also Maitreya talked about this in todays message. he's also giving cyber-satsang..... i enclose it. thanks a lot for a nice message which stands out in the otherwise a little "dry" advaita-world! AUM firak *************************** Maitreya Ishwara www.ishwara.com Silence is TRUTH Beloved Friends Love Freedom from all suffering is not cheap. The price of admission to the temple of freedom is your ego, your unconscious identification with body, emotions and mind. This surrender is not helped by immature teachers who give your spiritual ego another identification. There are many people sharing Satsang who try to give seekers a shift in perception, to see yourself as consciousness. Often they negate the value of meditation and say you are already intrinsically free by the fact of being part of the universal consciousness. This immaturity gives the spiritual ego another subtle identification: I am consciousness. When a Buddha says the same thing, he knows what he is talking about. Just parroting his words doesn't help. What does help is taking the Buddha's experience as a hypothesis to be verified by your experience. This is the purpose of sitting silently doing nothing. In silent, relaxed awareness, the truth of consciousness is revealed. The "you are already enlightened" teachers are immature and attract immature believers to their concepts about truth. Osho was much more rigorous and his people are largely free from the great misfortune of an enlightened ego that seems to plague many disciples of Poonjaji. Everyone is ultimately God, or consciousness. But just believing this is a major trap for unaware teachers and seekers. Silent awareness beyond all trace of concepts about truth is the only TRUTH. Leave the toys of belief and enter the silence of who you really are. Love Maitreya * Let us know if you wish to be removed from Maitreya's mailing list, or if you want to add a friend or if you receive it double and we will compile an accurate list. If you only want to be removed please put your e-mail address in the subject field Apologies to anyone who has already asked to be removed and receives this letter by accident. -Copies of previous messages available. Love www.ishwara.com Jerry M. Katz [umbada] Wednesday, January 05, 2000 5:59 AM NDS [NondualitySalon] Is is phony or what? Someone do me a favor and go to http://www.vartman.com/soundfiles.html And listen to Vartman on one of the sound files. I listened for about 5 seconds and had to shut it off. My question is, Why do all these Satsang people sound the same? The same pacing. The same pausing. The same eternal tone. The same, 'You see'. The same little humor. The same 'in the moment importance'. Why do I feel like I'm being sucked into something? Why do I feel the current Satsang movement is no different than any religious movement with their intonations and rituals and fulfillment of expectations? Where is the unpredictability? Where is the rebellion? Why do I have to turn Vartman off and listen to the hum of my computer if I want to hear something real? As a boy required to attend synagogue I felt stifled. I felt more alive and in touch with life when I departed the synagogue. Somehow I had the insight that just being alone in the day's sun was as religious and spiritual and Godly as it gets. Now I have that same feeling with Satsang. It's bullshit. Just listen to Vartman. You know anyone can say anything they want with that pacing and tone of voice and it will sound spiritual and wonderful. Using Vartman's tone, try saying the following: "I'm going to sue your ass in court ... you see ... you slimy stinking good for nothing bastard ... you piece of human garbage, you are the lowest form of human existence .... you see ... you horrible ..." And don't you hate it when you're reading transcripts of Satsang and you come upon the clue-in: [laughter]. I hate that. Just let me read the transcript and I'll decide if it's funny or not. So what's my point? Nothing holds. Reality is not to be found in Satsang with all its good feeling and relaxation and mellowness and truth. Reality is not found. It is known to be here and now. You see. 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