Guest guest Posted January 8, 2000 Report Share Posted January 8, 2000 Thank you for bringing the pendulum to rest, firak. (But don't you LOVE that pendulum?!) Love, Jerry firak or rahasya wrote: > > Hi Jerry, > > funny, > how the same thing > can trigger two totally different experiences in a human, > in this case Vartman's cyber-space-voice. > i listened with Rahasya yesterday evening for the first time to Vartman > after knowing close to nothing about him before. > > We immediately got beamed into the kind of satsang atmosphere > we normally had only experienced sitting with living enlighteneds, > esp. with Maitreya last year > in SILENCE. > > Words are Words > and a poor medium to transfer spiritual energy > or take away negative energies. > This is only possible in the presence of a LIVING enlightened being > and happens mostly in Silence. > > Most Satsangs of course contain also words, > questions from disciples,sometimes discourses, > i never really cared very much to ask questions in Satsang, > i didn't even ask Ramesh in Bombay > and the best part for me was at the end > when there was devotional singing > and i could meditate with closed eyes > and when i touched his feet on the next day........ > > i don't care if Vartman is enlightened or not > i'm only thankful to him to be my "catalyst" > > But you are right about these tendencies in the spiritual satsang-circus, > funny again > that also Maitreya talked about this in todays message. > he's also giving cyber-satsang..... > i enclose it. > > thanks a lot for a nice message which stands out in the otherwise a little > "dry" advaita-world! > > AUM > firak > > *************************** > > Maitreya Ishwara > www.ishwara.com > > Silence is TRUTH > > Beloved Friends > Love > Freedom from all suffering is not cheap. > The price of admission to the temple of freedom is > your ego, your unconscious identification with body, > emotions and mind. > This surrender is not helped by immature teachers who > give your spiritual ego another identification. > There are many people sharing Satsang who try to give > seekers a shift in perception, to see yourself as > consciousness. Often they negate the value of > meditation and say you are already intrinsically free > by the fact of being part of the universal > consciousness. > This immaturity gives the spiritual ego another subtle > identification: I am consciousness. > When a Buddha says the same thing, he knows what he is > talking about. Just parroting his words doesn't help. > What does help is taking the Buddha's experience as a > hypothesis to be verified by your experience. This is > the purpose of sitting silently doing nothing. In > silent, relaxed awareness, the truth of consciousness > is revealed. > The "you are already enlightened" teachers are > immature and attract immature believers to their > concepts about truth. > Osho was much more rigorous and his people are largely > free from the great misfortune of an enlightened ego > that seems to plague many disciples of Poonjaji. > Everyone is ultimately God, or consciousness. But just > believing this is a major trap for unaware teachers > and seekers. > Silent awareness beyond all trace of concepts about > truth is the only TRUTH. > Leave the toys of belief and enter the silence of who > you really are. > > Love > Maitreya _ NONDUALITY SALON WEBSITE http://www.nonduality.com http://welcome.to/nondualitysalon MAILING LIST //nondualitysalon HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE MAILING LIST //ndhighlights PHOTOS, GRAPHICS, ARTWORK, OTHER FILES NondualitySalon/ NONDUAL PEOPLE http://www.nonduality.com/morea.htm NONDUAL DELIGHTS http://www.nonduality.com/context.htm CHAT ROOM http://www.eScribe.com/religion/nondualitysalon/chat New to Chat? http://dragon.minopher.net.au/WebEd/protocol.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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