Guest guest Posted January 11, 2000 Report Share Posted January 11, 2000 In a message dated 01/11/2000 9:32:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, hluthar writes: << if God were truly all-knowing, He couldn't be all powerful, simply because He wouldn't have the power to alter the course of what He knew would eventuate. thus omnipotence and omniscience are incompatible. therefore the attempted resolution of the matter of fate vs free will, becomes the dog chasing its tail. true freedom therefore can only lie in mystery. >> Thank you Harshaji for contributing others' thoughts. I must say I have followed this thread with wonder and fascination. It never occurred to me before that God was not both omniscient and omnipotent, and i confess, that although it may be illogical (although it does not seem illogical to me) that Divine is both. For example, if God were to alter the course of events, or allow us to alter by our "choice" not "will" then all the eventuating outcomes of that alteration would be seen by His/Her Omniscience thereby not invalidating his Ominpotence... Do others have thoughts on this? I do find this incredibly intriguing comtemplation :-) Here is a small contribution from HH The Dalai Lama's _Path to Tranquility_ : "January 11: I think religion, ideology, economy, and political systems are all man's creation. Since they are man's creation, they must relate with human feeling and the human spirit. If they are practiced with human feeling, they fulfill some basic human aspirations. The various religions and ideologies are meant for humanity and not the opposite." Last nite, upon finishing meditations and writing, i turned off the lights so that the lilies and other houseplants could reverse their breathing as they do... being light and dark dependent, perhaps just as i myself am... an infitismal speck in a vast cosmos... Back to contemplation and little reflections of this Vast "Omni*****" All, One, Two, One, Love, rainbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2000 Report Share Posted January 11, 2000 In a message dated 01/11/2000 10:58:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, mdjinc writes: << Maybe there is nothing to alter. Maybe it's all happening now. Maybe it's all an illusion. Maybe I am this and you are that and that is all there is. Maybe? Michael >> Mebbe ... Mebbe not? Maybe it's all an un-ravelling or un-ravellable Mystery... But then to what purpose is Mind to contemplate? And what do you actually think it is ... it IS or IS not? Annette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2000 Report Share Posted January 11, 2000 f. maiello [egodust] Friday, January 07, 2000 11:04 AM advaitin Re: Free-will is not Free! abandoning the question whether man has free will, what about God (brahman)? does God have free will? free will for God implies the responsibility of having to choose on infinite matters-could this signify a state of freedom? conversely, the lack of free will would inevitably deliver the prison of boredom. if God were truly all-knowing, He couldn't be all powerful, simply because He wouldn't have the power to alter the course of what He knew would eventuate. thus omnipotence and omniscience are incompatible. therefore the attempted resolution of the matter of fate vs free will, becomes the dog chasing its tail. true freedom therefore can only lie in mystery. liberation is liberation from the need to reduce the wonder of Life to a manageable reasonableness. the jnani is at peace in the nape of his own unknown. om om om Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2000 Report Share Posted January 11, 2000 Maybe there is nothing to alter. Maybe it's all happening now. Maybe it's all an illusion. Maybe I am this and you are that and that is all there is. Maybe? Michael At 10:54 AM 1/11/00 EST, you wrote: >RainboLily > >In a message dated 01/11/2000 9:32:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, >hluthar writes: > ><< if God were truly all-knowing, He couldn't be all powerful, simply because > He wouldn't have the power to alter the course of what He knew would > eventuate. thus omnipotence and omniscience are incompatible. > therefore the attempted resolution of the matter of fate vs free will, > becomes the dog chasing its tail. > true freedom therefore can only lie in mystery. >> > >Thank you Harshaji for contributing others' thoughts. >I must say I have followed this thread with wonder >and fascination. It never occurred to me before that >God was not both omniscient and omnipotent, and i >confess, that although it may be illogical (although it >does not seem illogical to me) that Divine is both. For >example, if God were to alter the course of events, or >allow us to alter by our "choice" not "will" then all the >eventuating outcomes of that alteration would be seen >by His/Her Omniscience thereby not invalidating his >Ominpotence... > >Do others have thoughts on this? I do find this incredibly >intriguing comtemplation :-) > >Here is a small contribution from HH The Dalai Lama's >_Path to Tranquility_ : > >"January 11: I think religion, ideology, economy, and political >systems are all man's creation. Since they are man's creation, >they must relate with human feeling and the human spirit. If >they are practiced with human feeling, they fulfill some basic >human aspirations. The various religions and ideologies are >meant for humanity and not the opposite." > >Last nite, upon finishing meditations and writing, i turned off >the lights so that the lilies and other houseplants could reverse >their breathing as they do... being light and dark dependent, >perhaps just as i myself am... an infitismal speck in a vast cosmos... > >Back to contemplation and >little reflections of this Vast > "Omni*****" All, One, Two, One, > >Love, > rainbo > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! >Sign up for eLerts at: ><a href=" http://clickme./ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > >------ > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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