Guest guest Posted January 12, 2000 Report Share Posted January 12, 2000 Signed, sealed and delivered - now just drop it in the mail. Love, Dan At 06:53 AM 1/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >"Linda Callanan" <shastra > >"Cut....that's a wrap" > >Linda > >>>>>"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar > >>>>>>Greg Goode <goode > >>>>Kundalini and non-dualism.... It's almost two separate topics. We have >several very informed people on NDS about Kundalini, if you want to pursue >that further. As for the Understanding that Ramesh talks about, all >experiences are arisings in Consciousness. They come, they stay for a >while, and they go. No matter what the experience, gross, subtle or >spiritual, Kundalini or a car crash, it comes and goes, does not last. The >consciousness in which the experience arises is what is lasting, unbroken, >partless and continuous. Since it is clear that the experiences happen to >"you," You are that consciousness, one and the same. You are present >before, during and after any given experience, and even without experiences. >Nisargadatta said that "I am that which survives the dissolution of >universes." You are present, not as Dan, but as consciousness. In fact, >Dan is one of the things that arise in consciousness. You can experience >the coming and going of Dan around deep sleep states, swoons, samadhi's, >gaps between thoughts, etc. Things don't happen to Dan - rather, Dan is one >of the happenings. >So for the jnana marga, i.e., the non-doing path of Ramesh and Ram Tzu, >Kundalini is just another experience. A great and blissful one to be sure. >But there is suffering when the bliss ends, or when the next bliss fails to >arise when expected, or when pondering over the general fact that bliss >doesn't last forever and alternates with pain or regular life. I've talked >to some people who prefer to take a shot a prolonging the bliss rather than >try for non-dual realization or enlightenment. Most will keep at their >practice until they are tired or disenchanted. *Then* when they turn to the >jnana marga, things move very very quickly. They come to understand very >quickly that happiness is not found in objects that arise and fall, but is >rather What you are. Then, the suffering never arises again, because there >is no more scorekeeping or calculating about how well things are going for a >"me." >And this doesn't mean that you must give up Kundalini practices! You can do >anything, yoga, exercise, music, dancing, but it will happen without any >expectations of ultimate spiritual results - it will be seen that there is >no one there to whom the benefits accrue! >In formal advaita vedanta, it is taught that the true purpose of spiritual, >psychic, miraculous and Kundalini experiences is to demonstrate to the >student by disidentification with ever more subtle layers that: >1. they are not the physical body >2. they are not the etheric body >3. they are not the emotional body >4. they are not the intellectual body >5. they are not the body of bliss > >But rather, the student is That in which these things rise and fall. When >this is deeply understood, there will be no more identification with the >layers (e.g., "I'm the feeler of bliss!"), and happiness and fulfillment >will no longer be sought in any of these transitory things. >With love, >--Greg > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! >Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in >forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme./ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > >------ > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, >perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside >back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than >the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. >Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is >where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal >Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously >arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! >Sign up for eLerts at: ><a href=" http://clickme./ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > >------ > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. 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