Guest guest Posted January 20, 2000 Report Share Posted January 20, 2000 > >>once an ordinary person > > >>achieves Nirvikalpa Samadhi, he leaves the body in 21 days.<< It was 25 days for me, so I don't believe there are any set timing rules. And yes, you do leave the body, but not always in the way you might be thinking. During the (25) days, one is literally going through the birthing of their self, including contraction and expansion of self. After the 21-25 (?) days, you are lifted out of your body, ie. 'leave your body', much like going through a birth canal in the form of a vortex, to meet self via lifting the veils of illusion. If the veil is not lifted, due to facing the fear of Self/God, you come back into the body, amnesia intact of the whole experience. Therefore, many have 'been there', but have no memory of it. The facing of Godself is not an easy task when unprepared, not something to be taken lightly. Even the prepared have difficulty and will tremble with fear unable to lift their eyes. Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2000 Report Share Posted January 20, 2000 Gasusima wrote: > Gasusima > > I accidently found this on the internet while searching for something else, > and was wondering what type of Nirvikalpa Samadhi it was referring to and > if anyone had any knowlege of this. > > >>once an ordinary person > >>achieves Nirvikalpa Samadhi, he leaves the body in 21 days.<< > > >>In the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, on page 245, it says, > > "'Trailanga Swami once said that because a man reasons he is conscious > of > multiplicity, of variety. Attaining samadhi, one gives up the body in > twenty-one > days. . . '" (Ramakrishna was talking to his devotees.)<< > > <> > Namaste, > Gasusima > Hello Gausima. You raise an important point and I will forward my reply to other lists as well. The state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi that Sri Ramakrishna refers to and Kevala Nirvikalpa that Ramana Maharshi refers to are two different things. This is known by the adepts and advanced students who have engaged in long term practice of meditation and actually have experienced these states. This cannot be grasped through intellectual discussion as it is a matter of practical experiences. This is why words and explanations can only help a little but also succeed in generating controversy. The Nirvikalpa Samadhi referred to by Sri Ramakrishna involves the Kundalini Shakti moving up to the Sahasarara in a special way. The Samadhi that ensues involves the whole energy of the mind/body system and body consciousness is totally obliterated. As the union of Shakti and Shiva in Sahasarara leads to such ecstasy, the desire to come out of such a state can quickly disappears. It is helpful to have other people around at such times. Kevala Nirvikalpa results when the Shakti (after reaching the Sahasarara) comes down from Sahasarara in the frontal Nadi known as Amrita Nadi or Para Nadi. This Nadi connects the Sahasarara and the Spiritual Heart referred to in the Upanishads. As Ramana Maharshi has pointed out, the Spiritual Heart is not the physical heart and nor is it the Heart Center of Kundalini Yoga. This Heart is experienced slightly to the right of center and the Sage of Arunachala has spoken extensively about it. The Spiritual Heart sucks in the Kundalini Shakti along with the mind (the mind being a manifestation of Shakti). Here everything disappears totally. No Energy, No Ecstasy, No Anything. Only the Pure Self. Self That Is It Self Sat-Chit-Ananda. That You Are! Sri Ramana took great care to distinguish between Kevala Nirvikalpa and Sahaj Samadhi as indicated in his conversations. Sahaj Samadhi refers to the permanent continuous and the ever awake stage and there can be no rebirth after that. Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2000 Report Share Posted January 20, 2000 Hi Harsha, >The state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi that Sri Ramakrishna refers to and Kevala >Nirvikalpa that Ramana Maharshi refers to are two different things. -snip- > >The Nirvikalpa Samadhi referred to by Sri Ramakrishna involves the >Kundalini Shakti moving up to the Sahasarara in a special way. The Samadhi >that ensues involves the whole energy of the mind/body system and body >consciousness is totally obliterated. >As the union of Shakti and Shiva in Sahasarara leads to such ecstasy, the >desire to come out of such a state can quickly disappears. It is helpful >to have other people around at such times. And this is why it is said that the man will leave the body? Because he loses the desire to return? >Kevala Nirvikalpa This is what I thought you and Jan were referring to in the previous post as Nirvikalpa Samadhi... You call it Kevala Nirvikalpa... is it considered a type of Nirvikalpa, a higher or fuller Nirvikalpa? >results when the Shakti (after reaching the Sahasarara) comes down from >Sahasarara in the frontal Nadi known as Amrita Nadi or Para Nadi. Swami Maheshwarananda says there is a Bindu-Chakra between Ajna and Sahasrara and that it is closely connected with Visuddha. From what he says about it, I think it is what Muktananda called the Blue Pearl, though he said it is _in_ Sahasrara. This is where the Amrita is said to come from... and it is said to be connected with divine sound, shabda. It seems to me that this may be the 5th sub-chakra of Sahasrara, the Throat Center in the Head. Could this be the same as the Amrita Nadi? > This Nadi connects the Sahasarara and the Spiritual Heart Is this Spiritual Heart in the head? Could it be the 4th sub-chakra of Sahasrara? As the 4th, it would be in a sense at the center of Sahasrara. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2000 Report Share Posted January 20, 2000 On 1/20/00 at 12:31 PM Dharma wrote: ¤Hi Harsha, ¤ ¤>The state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi that Sri Ramakrishna refers to and Kevala ¤>Nirvikalpa that Ramana Maharshi refers to are two different things. -snip- ¤> ¤>The Nirvikalpa Samadhi referred to by Sri Ramakrishna involves the ¤>Kundalini Shakti moving up to the Sahasarara in a special way. The Samadhi ¤>that ensues involves the whole energy of the mind/body system and body ¤>consciousness is totally obliterated. ¤>As the union of Shakti and Shiva in Sahasarara leads to such ecstasy, the ¤>desire to come out of such a state can quickly disappears. It is helpful ¤>to have other people around at such times. ¤ ¤And this is why it is said that the man will leave the body? Because he ¤loses the desire to return? Ecstasies make very forgetful and who would want to end it? This is why Buddha warned against samadhis in general as the serene, unchanging bliss of nirvana is rather different. ¤>Kevala Nirvikalpa ¤ ¤This is what I thought you and Jan were referring to in the previous post ¤as Nirvikalpa Samadhi... You call it Kevala Nirvikalpa... is it considered ¤a type of Nirvikalpa, a higher or fuller Nirvikalpa? One might say it is the continuation of nirvikalpa samadhi but with the world of names and forms added. The term "samadhi" is a bit misleading; there is the serene, unchanging bliss and "worldly life" doesn't interfere with it. ¤>results when the Shakti (after reaching the Sahasarara) comes down from ¤>Sahasarara in the frontal Nadi known as Amrita Nadi or Para Nadi. ¤ ¤Swami Maheshwarananda says there is a Bindu-Chakra between Ajna and ¤Sahasrara and that it is closely connected with Visuddha. From what he ¤says about it, I think it is what Muktananda called the Blue Pearl, though ¤he said it is _in_ Sahasrara. This is where the Amrita is said to come ¤from... and it is said to be connected with divine sound, shabda. It ¤seems to me that this may be the 5th sub-chakra of Sahasrara, the Throat ¤Center in the Head. Could this be the same as the Amrita Nadi? There are far more centers in Sahasrara than are listed in books and attributing bliss to a particular nadi is asking for trouble as Sat-Cit_Ananda is without a cause. What is important is to differentiate between the serene, unchanging bliss that is natural and the ecstasies that have an opposite (depression). ¤ ¤> This Nadi connects the Sahasarara and the Spiritual Heart ¤ ¤Is this Spiritual Heart in the head? Could it be the 4th sub-chakra of ¤Sahasrara? As the 4th, it would be in a sense at the center of Sahasrara. ¤ ¤Love, ¤Dharma In my case (small, slender) the Spiritual Heart is located some 3.5" to the right of the heart "on the axis" and it isn't a sub-center. The fact that it doesn't belong to the "usual" ones mentioned in books on K., could be seen as a hint that when occupying oneself with K. as "controller, raiser etc.", one won't perceive it as the unfolding of the Spiritual Heart is a matter of 100% surrender. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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