Guest guest Posted January 20, 2000 Report Share Posted January 20, 2000 Harshaji - Thank you for your explanation about samadhis. What is your explanation of sahaja samadhi? I enjoy hearing descriptions of such states and explanations of ways that yogis have pursued these. At the same time, it seems easily to become an esoteric topic, one where "transformed" states of awareness may become part of a "spiritual materialism," as Chogyam Trungpa called it. What I mean is that descriptions of exalted states of awareness become something for someone to want to seek or emulate. It seems that "simply resting in the Heart" as you and others have discussed Sri Ramana (and many 'disciples') expounding seems likely to get confounded here. When "special states" are described and sought, what happens to simply resting in awareness, to being Who one is here and now? Do you have any light to shed on this? Love, Dan At 10:20 AM 1/20/00 -0500, you wrote: >"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar > >Gasusima wrote: > >> Gasusima >> >> I accidently found this on the internet while searching for something else, >> and was wondering what type of Nirvikalpa Samadhi it was referring to and >> if anyone had any knowlege of this. >> >> >>once an ordinary person >> >>achieves Nirvikalpa Samadhi, he leaves the body in 21 days.<< >> >> >>In the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, on page 245, it says, >> >> "'Trailanga Swami once said that because a man reasons he is conscious >> of >> multiplicity, of variety. Attaining samadhi, one gives up the body in >> twenty-one >> days. . . '" (Ramakrishna was talking to his devotees.)<< >> >> <> >> Namaste, >> Gasusima >> > >Hello Gausima. You raise an important point and I will forward my reply to other lists as well. > >The state of Nirvikalpa Samadhi that Sri Ramakrishna refers to and Kevala Nirvikalpa that Ramana Maharshi refers to are two different things. This is known by the adepts and advanced students who have engaged in long term practice of meditation and >actually have experienced these states. This cannot be grasped through intellectual discussion as it is a matter of practical experiences. This is why words and explanations can only help a little but also succeed in generating controversy. > >The Nirvikalpa Samadhi referred to by Sri Ramakrishna involves the Kundalini Shakti moving up to the Sahasarara in a special way. The Samadhi that ensues involves the whole energy of the mind/body system and body consciousness is totally obliterated. >As the union of Shakti and Shiva in Sahasarara leads to such ecstasy, the desire to come out of such a state can quickly disappears. It is helpful to have other people around at such times. > >Kevala Nirvikalpa results when the Shakti (after reaching the Sahasarara) comes down from Sahasarara in the frontal Nadi known as Amrita Nadi or Para Nadi. This Nadi connects the Sahasarara and the Spiritual Heart referred to in the Upanishads. As >Ramana Maharshi has pointed out, the Spiritual Heart is not the physical heart and nor is it the Heart Center of Kundalini Yoga. This Heart is experienced slightly to the right of center and the Sage of Arunachala has spoken extensively about it. The >Spiritual Heart sucks in the Kundalini Shakti along with the mind (the mind being a manifestation of Shakti). Here everything disappears totally. No Energy, No Ecstasy, No Anything. Only the Pure Self. Self That Is It Self Sat-Chit-Ananda. That You >Are! > >Sri Ramana took great care to distinguish between Kevala Nirvikalpa and Sahaj Samadhi as indicated in his conversations. Sahaj Samadhi refers to the permanent continuous and the ever awake stage and there can be no rebirth after that. > > >Harsha > > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! >Sign up for eLerts at: ><a href=" http://clickme./ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > >------ > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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