Guest guest Posted January 22, 2000 Report Share Posted January 22, 2000 Namaste All, "There was neither non-existence nor existence then; there was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond. What stirred? Where? In whose protection? Was there water, bottomless deep? "Rig Veda, 10.29, 1. Nasadiya-Creation Hymn. Wendy O'Flaherty.Penguin. Whilst we are in it, it is real enough. In other words unless one is realised there is the obvious duality. Even for a jivanmukti there is duality but he/she has the awareness of unity in diversity. It takes many different flowers to make a garden, the garden is one, but what is the one? The vedantic theory of undifferentiated prakriti, being disturbed by the gunas and then all this proliferation, is a good one. The idea of this being caused by the sound/vibration AUM is also a good one. The underlying ground is Brahman, there being nothing material for this prakriti to rest on, therefore it must be ultimately illusory, and never happened. After that which never happened appeared to happen, the vibrations took on different forms bodies sheaths etc depending on the speed and density of the vibrations. No matter how non-dual we get we have to deal with this, using the mind as a thorn to remove a thorn. So illusion cannot be completey invalidated for it is necessary to invalidate itself. It seems to me the point is about association of consciousness with the vibrations, which are also consciousness. The level of awareness equals the level of withdrawal from this dream. How many veils of illusion created by Maya are lifted that is. All these vibrations have to be purified of only one thing really; the different forms of desire. Even the desire to have no desire. Desire is what prevents the vibrations lightening up to the original level and then release. Which is going beyond the gunas to 'stillness'. It is purifying and withdrawing the attachment of consciousness from the gross material to the slightest vibration and then stopping that. So to me mind is vibration and all is in the mind and is the mind and there is no mind only the appearance of such. It all come out of the original desire of Brahman to seem to multiply, which is the illusion itself. Love and Om Namah Sivaya, Tony. ===== Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! Breathe So----Ham! http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/sanskritglos.htm ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real, THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light, MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality. OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace. Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2000 Report Share Posted January 22, 2000 Well said, Tony! >Tony O'Clery <aoclery > >Namaste All, > >"There was neither non-existence nor existence then; >there was neither the realm of space nor the sky which >is beyond. What stirred? Where? In whose >protection? Was there water, bottomless deep? "Rig >Veda, 10.29, 1. Nasadiya-Creation Hymn. Wendy >O'Flaherty.Penguin. > >Whilst we are in it, it is real enough. In other words >unless one is realised there is the obvious duality. >Even for a jivanmukti there is duality but he/she has >the awareness of unity in diversity. It takes many >different flowers to make a garden, the garden is one, >but what is the one? > >The vedantic theory of undifferentiated prakriti, >being disturbed by the gunas and then all this >proliferation, is a good one. The idea of this being >caused by the sound/vibration AUM is also a good one. >The underlying ground is Brahman, there being nothing >material for this prakriti to rest on, therefore it >must be ultimately illusory, and never happened. > >After that which never happened appeared to happen, >the vibrations took on different forms bodies sheaths >etc depending on the speed and density of the >vibrations. > >No matter how non-dual we get we have to deal with >this, using the mind as a thorn to remove a thorn. So >illusion cannot be completey invalidated for it is >necessary to invalidate itself. > >It seems to me the point is about association of >consciousness with the vibrations, which are also >consciousness. The level of awareness equals the level >of withdrawal from this dream. How many veils of >illusion created by Maya are lifted that is. All these >vibrations have to be purified of only one thing >really; the different forms of desire. Even the desire >to have no desire. Desire is what prevents the >vibrations lightening up to the original level and >then release. Which is going beyond the gunas to >'stillness'. > >It is purifying and withdrawing the attachment of >consciousness from the gross material to the slightest >vibration and then stopping that. So to me mind is >vibration and all is in the mind and is the mind and >there is no mind only the appearance of such. > >It all come out of the original desire of Brahman to >seem to multiply, which is the illusion itself. > >Love and Om Namah Sivaya, Tony. > > >===== >Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! Breathe So----Ham! >http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/sanskritglos.htm > >ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real, >THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light, >MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality. >OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace. > > >Talk to your friends online with Messenger. >http://im. > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! >Sign up for eLerts at: ><a href=" http://clickme./ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > >------ > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, >perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and >subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not >different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the >nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. >It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the >Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of >Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome >all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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