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At 02:10 PM 1/23/00 , you wrote:

>Whatever you think happens between incarnations, you can't argue from that

>to anything meaningful about the nature of perception in incarnation. It

>doesn't follow... or if you think it follows, then its validity depends

>entirely on whether the first statement is true or not. Pretty iffy. :))

>However...

 

Having full remembering of what happened,

what my perceptions were,

on the several occasions I was clinically dead in this lifetime ...

 

and having, from that remembering, and that understanding,

allowed the conscious recall of what have been

the last several incarnations of the entity in this body now

 

and from this,

 

allowing the remembering of what happened in between

these incarnations ..

 

I have allowed these perceptions

to come together into a conscious awareness

 

but they can only be expressed in the language of perceptions ..

based on a learned vocabulary

 

and my language of expression, due to these perceptions

will not find resonance within you

 

unless you can shift your own point of perception

so that you can see through the "eyes" I saw through

whilst in that space.

 

I can only try to find words which have a relevance within your experience

to allow you to find meaning in what I write ....

 

and words read from a book

or repeated from a "teacher"

do not count as experience

 

Christopher Wynter

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Hey Chris,

>>Whatever you think happens between incarnations, you can't argue from that

>>to anything meaningful about the nature of perception in incarnation. It

>>doesn't follow... or if you think it follows, then its validity depends

>>entirely on whether the first statement is true or not. Pretty iffy. :))

>>However...

 

This comment was specifically in answer to the quotation from Xan's

friend... I didn't say a thing about you... wasn't talking about you.

>Having full remembering of what happened,

>snip<

>I can only try to find words which have a relevance within your experience

to allow you to find meaning in what I write ....

 

So what is it you want to tell that you think I won't find meaning in?

 

You think you're the only one who remembers other lives? I have the memory

of other lives... but I was not commenting on that kind of memory. It has

nothing to do with the subject under discussion.

 

What I was saying is that I think it's a mistake to try to make statements

about the nature of human perception in the body in the present... and try

to prove it by citing memories or other knowledge of other lives or, in

this case, of the periods of being discarnate between incarnations. It

won't hold scientifically or logically, and you won't convince anybody that

way.

 

Now you can offer what you know, and if it interests the other person, he

may pursue it.

 

But you can't prove something about human perception in incarnation with

that kind of stuff. If you confront a scientist doing research in

perception or a therapist or case-worker with anecdotal experience... and

you tell him he's wrong and you can prove it from what you remember from

another life... or from when you were not incarnate but in between

lives... they'll laugh you out of the room.

 

And they'd be right, Chris. You'd be talking about experience when you

weren't even incarnate in a human body to try to prove something about

experience in human bodies... apples and oranges, Chris. It doesn't

follow.

 

Love,

Dharma

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