Guest guest Posted January 23, 2000 Report Share Posted January 23, 2000 geovani> Yes. Separation is and always was conceptual, unreal. And I am saying that manifestation and the ground-of-manifestation are one and inseparable. >Giovani: > [snip] >... it seems unconceivable to exist a 'Self' without it's two basic >components, wich in fact are non-separate. Manifestation and it's ground - >as 'this'. And further....the manifested part of existence maybe could go through an evolutionary movement - as ever-better-fitted-bodies - in order to 'manifest' this 'here and now' in always more 'advanced' ways. Dan: We can speculate. We can dream about evolution. This is thought's ballpark - speculation and dreams. Thought isn't generally comfortable with its own groundlessness and with its *inability* to "stand outside" and comment about the "nature of reality". Thought can only release itself into "this infinite unknown" (with respect to thought's knowledge) that is Reality. In this Silence, manifestation and the unmanifest are in perfect synchrony. As far as whether awareness as synchrony will mean "evolution" and "apparent advance" for "bodies" - such determinations are relative, comparative, and a matter of judgment - thought's domain. Evolution and advance require judments made "in time," regarding what "came before" compared with "what is yet to come". Better and better, more and more -- when it's seen as beginninglessness and endlessness, all beginnings are "within" all ends - timelessness is Reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2000 Report Share Posted January 23, 2000 geovani> Yes. Separation is and always was conceptual, unreal. And I am saying that manifestation and the ground-of-manifestation are one and inseparable. >Giovani: > [snip] >... it seems unconceivable to exist a 'Self' without it's two basic >components, wich in fact are non-separate. Manifestation and it's ground - >as 'this'. And further....the manifested part of existence maybe could go through an evolutionary movement - as ever-better-fitted-bodies - in order to 'manifest' this 'here and now' in always more 'advanced' ways. Dan: We can speculate. We can dream about evolution. This is thought's ballpark - speculation and dreams. geovani> Certainly. The subject is open for speculation (reencarnation, life after death, etc...). I am only speculating for fun, here... Dan>...Thought isn't generally comfortable with its own groundlessness and with its *inability* to "stand outside" and comment about the "nature of reality". geovani> 'The nature of thought'... Thought is memory contents in movement. Thought can not elaborate about the 'new' - never. When thought is somwhere "outside", then there is identification and the assumption of a "me" dwelling outside of this universe - as aseparate entity. When thought is also "here", then it is what it is - a limited movement of memories - that may be useful for many purposes. Thought as any other events or things, is awareness. It is one more energetic manifestation in this observer-less universe. Dan>...Thought can only release itself into "this infinite unknown" (with respect to thought's knowledge) that is Reality. In this Silence, manifestation and the unmanifest are in perfect synchrony. geovani> Yes. Dan>...As far as whether awareness as synchrony will mean "evolution" and "apparent advance" for "bodies" - such determinations are relative, comparative, and a matter of judgment - thought's domain. geovani> Yes.....speculations about death and reencarnation... Dan>..Evolution and advance require judments made "in time," regarding what "came before" compared with "what is yet to come". Better and better, more and more -- when it's seen as beginninglessness and endlessness, all beginnings are "within" all ends - timelessness is Reality. geovani> Yes but....the timebound "is" imersed in the timeless. I can go from here to the beach - in time. I can go to the grocery - in time. Nevertheless the timeless "is". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2000 Report Share Posted January 23, 2000 >Dan: We can speculate. We can dream about evolution. This is thought's ballpark - speculation and dreams. >geovani Certainly. The subject is open for speculation (reencarnation, life after death, etc...). I am only speculating for fun, here... Dan: Geovani, I've enjoyed speculating with you here - mining for gold in the dark mine of speculation. There is a beauty to the way you frame these imaginings. Dan>...Thought isn't generally comfortable with its own groundlessness and with its *inability* to "stand outside" and comment about the "nature of reality". >geovani> 'The nature of thought'... Thought is memory contents in movement. Thought can not elaborate about the 'new' - never. When thought is somwhere "outside", then there is identification and the assumption of a "me" dwelling outside of this universe - as aseparate entity. When thought is also "here", then it is what it is - a limited movement of memories - that may be useful for many purposes. Thought as any other events or things, is awareness. It is one more energetic manifestation in this observer-less universe. Dan: Well-said. Being here, now - yes. I am with you. Dan>...Thought can only release itself into "this infinite unknown" (with respect to thought's knowledge) that is Reality. In this Silence, manifestation and the unmanifest are in perfect synchrony. geovani> Yes. Dan>...As far as whether awareness as synchrony will mean "evolution" and "apparent advance" for "bodies" - such determinations are relative, comparative, and a matter of judgment - thought's domain. >geovani> Yes.....speculations about death and reencarnation... Dan: Quite so. Dan>..Evolution and advance require judments made "in time," regarding what "came before" compared with "what is yet to come". Better and better, more and more -- when it's seen as beginninglessness and endlessness, all beginnings are "within" all ends - timelessness is Reality. >geovani> Yes but....the timebound "is" imersed in the timeless. I can go from here to the beach - in time. I can go to the grocery - in time. Nevertheless the timeless "is". Dan: Oh yes indeed. Here is where temporal awareness becomes openness to the synchronous unfolding "nowness". -- Love -- ---------- ONElist Sponsor Please click above to support our sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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