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>Hi Dan,

>

>>>>Dan: If nonduality

>>>>already is the case, then when we talk about

>>>>making an effort or not making an effort, we are

>>>>speaking from the perspective of our own rationale,

>>>>from a someone who exists apart from nonduality

>>>>and who wants to experience "it".

>>>

>>>Dharma:

>>>Or who has returned and wants to use words to point the way, as Harsha

said.

>>

>>Dan: Who returns, and from where? Use words however they seem useful -

>> nonetheless, words can either build pretty dream castles,

>> or can arise in and speak only Silence.

>

>It's a method, Dan. Go ahead and use it, but please - recognize that it's

>a method. If you were physically present with us, maybe you could convey

>your understanding without having to use words... you could just sit and

>smile... and glow. :) But since we're writing from a distance, you're in

>the difficult position of having to use words to tell us that words are

>meaningless and of no use. :)) You're thinking hard to keep coming up with

>new ways to tell people that thinking is useless. :)) And working hard to

>convey that "no-effort" state. :)

>

>Personally, I don't want to get into a discussion with you... I'm sure

>your method must have helped many people, but it's not among the methods

>that interest me. I have certain interests here, and they don't involve

>continually talking about how we can't talk... :)))

>

>Who returns? Well, I know who. Now I want to talk about something else.

>

>Love,

>Dharma

 

Dan: Dharma, just to clarify here:

I see words as useful tools for communication,

and certain problems may be addressed fruitfully with thought.

Additionally, I see thought as useful for addressing the biases of

thought, such inquiry opening thought to what is beyond itself.

-- Peace --

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