Guest guest Posted January 23, 2000 Report Share Posted January 23, 2000 In a message dated 01/22/2000 11:42:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, anunda writes: > Every time I wash, I am conscious (mindful) of washing off > emotions, both my own, and those that I have picked up from others. > every time I eat, I am conscious of removing all of the vibrations > of any person who has handled either the food, > the utensils or the ingredients prior to me receiving it in front of me. These actions are based on fear. Psychic empathic vibes, thoughts, feelings, emotions and perceptions we pick up from others can also be quite an inspirational gift. One that we asked for -- that we consciously or unconsciously chose to accept. To remove all these *bad* (or even *good*) vibes before discovering the gift within it, is a big waste of our own energy. You heard it here first. :-) xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2000 Report Share Posted January 23, 2000 Hi tg, >> Every time I wash, I am conscious (mindful) of washing off >> emotions, both my own, and those that I have picked up from others. > >> every time I eat, I am conscious of removing all of the vibrations >> of any person who has handled either the food, >> the utensils or the ingredients prior to me receiving it in front of me. > >These actions are based on fear. You're absolutely right! Now that you draw my attention to it, he does seem to be afraid of any kind of emotions, his own or other people's. >Psychic empathic vibes, thoughts, feelings, >emotions and perceptions we pick up from others can also be quite an >inspirational gift. One that we asked for -- that we consciously or >unconsciously chose to accept. To remove all these *bad* (or even *good*) >vibes before discovering the gift within it, is a big waste of our own >energy. Yes! When I talk about cleansing or clearing the bodies, I _don't_ mean we should get rid of all emotion. When I'm aware of negative emotions... what my friend Lynea calls "the fear-based emotions"... I clear them so they won't become karmic stuff, more blocks, for the future. Besides, I don't like living with fear... I'd rather get rid of it all. But the good stuff... no, I don't want to get rid of that. I think it's important to live as physical, emotional, mental human beings... it grounds us. The person who tries to live without any emotions at all (and maybe without thinking, as much as possible) is either repressing a whole lot and creating a big Shadow within himself... or, if he really does live above it all... no emotions, little thinking... he is like a tree cut off from its roots. It's in danger of drying up and blowing away. >Psychic empathic vibes, thoughts, feelings, >emotions and perceptions we pick up from others can also be quite an >inspirational gift. I feel connected to so many others... I feel like I'm living in a sea of shared experience... emotions, thought-forms, intuitions, insights... DK says, "The life of the soul is group life." I'm glad for all the good stuff from the group... if there's negative stuff, it may be coming for me to clear... so I clear it... pass it on through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 In a message dated 01/23/2000 8:26:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, fisher1 writes: > Yes! When I talk about cleansing or clearing the bodies, I _don't_ mean we > should get rid of all emotion. When I'm aware of negative emotions... > what my friend Lynea calls "the fear-based emotions"... I clear them so > they won't become karmic stuff, more blocks, for the future. Besides, I > don't like living with fear... I'd rather get rid of it all. Me too. I am becoming more aware of what is mine, and what is others (via empathy), and what is others 'old tapes' running around in this nutzo mind of mine. As I begin to understand and know myself better and better (Glad to finally meet ya'!), it becomes easier and easier. As an empath to end all empath's, much I pick up is other's stuff. It has been a curse my whole life. :-) Once I looked at that curse label and realized I knew nothing, things began changing. I began being aware more and more of what was mine and what was yours -- again, it is just knowing and understanding ourselves. I began seeing what a gift, instead of a curse, this empathy really is! I learn more and more about it every day. > But the good stuff... no, I don't want to get rid of that. I think it's > important to live as physical, emotional, mental human beings... it > grounds us. The person who tries to live without any emotions at all > (and maybe without thinking, as much as possible) is either repressing a > whole lot and creating a big Shadow within himself... or, if he really > does live above it all... no emotions, little thinking... he is like a > tree cut off from its roots. It's in danger of drying up and blowing away. I agree, but keeping my emotions that make me feel at peace and happy are my particular path. Others may choose to remain unemotional of all things. I found that was no fun. :-) Even my own negative emotions can be quite fun if I can keep the awareness that they are not me, and use them as the drama-queen I can be at times. LOL Yes, it is very grounding! > I feel connected to so many others... I feel like I'm living in a sea of > shared experience... emotions, thought-forms, intuitions, insights... DK > says, "The life of the soul is group life." I'm glad for all the good > stuff from the group... if there's negative stuff, it may be coming for me > to clear... so I clear it... pass it on through. Beautiful Dharma. I believe if the negative stuff bothers us, then we gotta do what brings us to peace. If it doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter. Thanks for your input -- always a joy to hear from you and your expertise on various subjects. Glad you are feeling better! Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 At 18:17 23/01/00 EST, you wrote: >LeTeegee > >In a message dated 01/22/2000 11:42:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, >anunda writes: > >> Every time I wash, I am conscious (mindful) of washing off >> emotions, both my own, and those that I have picked up from others. > >> every time I eat, I am conscious of removing all of the vibrations >> of any person who has handled either the food, >> the utensils or the ingredients prior to me receiving it in front of me. > >These actions are based on fear. Psychic empathic vibes, thoughts, feelings, >emotions and perceptions we pick up from others can also be quite an >inspirational gift. One that we asked for -- that we consciously or >unconsciously chose to accept. To remove all these *bad* (or even *good*) >vibes before discovering the gift within it, is a big waste of our own >energy. > >You heard it here first. > >:-) >xxxtg > @@@@ <LOL> Thank you tg, Just got in and checked the mail, and this thread is striding right down my street... I have knocked around with ppl who espouse the "keep washing" policy, (and they *are* clean, no doubt about it... , and sometimes I meet ppl who claim there is never any water to wash with, so they learn to love the dirt. Obviously foolish... <:-) Reminds me of the Hui Neng story of how he became the southern Chan patriarch in China and inherited Bodhidharma's robe and bowl. Hui Neng applied to be a monk, had been awakened from hearing the Diamond Sutras, but the patriarch who received him knew this illiterate peasant would not be welcome among the educated monks in the Chan order. He therefore gave him a position as a menial cook instead. Some time later Hui Neng heard of a "competition" in poetry for the position of patriarch of the monastery, as the patriarch was retiring. The aim was to expound most clearly and succinctly the essence of Chan buddhism. Hui Neng asked a monk to read him what the monastry's most likely candidate had written on a wall , which went along the lines of: Our body is a Bodhi tree Our mind a mirror bright We carefully clean it hour by hour And let no dust alight. Immediately he asked the monk to write his reply, which was roughly: There is no Bodhi tree Nor stand of a mirror bright Since all is Void Where can the dust alight? The patriarch discovered who had written it, and secretly gave Hui Neng Bodhidharma's robe and bowl, telling him to leave and start his own order, because no monk would have accepted the appointment of a cook as patriarch. The Southern Chan order teachings went to Japan and grew into Zen. Apparently, that's what happens when you grok the Diamond Sutras... )) Trouble... Totally agree with you, fear... that's the bugbear. I don't want to fear if the person who used the washroom before me was an oaf, I might as well love them compassionately anyway: though I know I am not like them, neverthless I *am* them. At that point it passes through me... ("now wash your hands..." <lol>) (btw, I still like astrology, almost everyone I meet, walks in the sunset, good food, making music and washing regularly. I do often poison myself in my busy mind with anything less than love, but that love is *mine* (all mine, I tell you... hahaha...8-D ) tg, love ya, and anyway, what if I didn't? ) Love Rob ps I've been struggling with this word "surrender" for a long while. It has bothered me when I've read posts where someone blithely states I just need to surrender and all will be well. (How would *they* know, look at the trouble I'm in, it ain't that easy or I would have done it already, it's an invitation for genetic suicide etc.) After a series of adventures lately, I am revisiting the word. I take it it doesn't mean "you lose, sucker"... coz, I've been there too many times. Nor does it need you to surrender to something that is a threat to the real you, afiak. The fear is just digital encoding for the sake of limited structural integrity. Useful, but not the whole story. I think in surrender what happens is you see something that you cannot assimilate in your own being, and through surrender you make the greatest, bravest act in allowing this "otherness" to become one with you, and you with it. Death or losing a loved one are major examples. And then perhaps you realise there is nothing to fear, only the limited concepts of self playing you around, pushing their many reasons why a thing must not be, afraid that your sense of who you are is at stake, saying "don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain". So surrender frees you from maintaining a structure that is artificial and saps your flow (gotta let the sap flow...) So that's where I am today. Feel better than I have in a while, too. Christopher, old chum, don't mean to dis you, just my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 In a message dated 01/24/2000 6:10:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, Robert_Weil writes: > I have knocked around with ppl who espouse the "keep washing" policy, (and > they *are* clean, no doubt about it... , and sometimes I meet ppl who > claim there is never any water to wash with, so they learn to love the > dirt. Obviously foolish... <:-) Hi Robert... thanks for writing. What a joy you are! I've always had a difficult time with the cleansing rituals... mainly cause I'm your basically lazy person, physically and spiritually. Always looking for the shortcut and the remote control. I couldn't learn to love the dirt permanently either -- it was a thankless and exhausting job, and I had waaay too much karma to burn. LOL I had to find a better way. > Reminds me of the Hui Neng story of how he became the southern Chan > patriarch in China and inherited Bodhidharma's robe and bowl. > > Hui Neng applied to be a monk, had been awakened from hearing the Diamond > Sutras, but the patriarch who received him knew this illiterate peasant > would not be welcome among the educated monks in the Chan order. He > therefore gave him a position as a menial cook instead. > > Some time later Hui Neng heard of a "competition" in poetry for the > position of patriarch of the monastery, as the patriarch was retiring. The > aim was to expound most clearly and succinctly the essence of Chan > buddhism. Hui Neng asked a monk to read him what the monastry's most likely > candidate had written on a wall , which went along the lines of: > > Our body is a Bodhi tree > Our mind a mirror bright > We carefully clean it hour by hour > And let no dust alight. > > Immediately he asked the monk to write his reply, which was roughly: > > There is no Bodhi tree > Nor stand of a mirror bright > Since all is Void > Where can the dust alight? > > The patriarch discovered who had written it, and secretly gave Hui Neng > Bodhidharma's robe and bowl, telling him to leave and start his own order, > because no monk would have accepted the appointment of a cook as patriarch. > The Southern Chan order teachings went to Japan and grew into Zen. > > Apparently, that's what happens when you grok the Diamond Sutras... )) > Trouble... LOL! Great story. Thanks for sharing it. > Totally agree with you, fear... that's the bugbear. I don't want to fear if > the person who used the washroom before me was an oaf, I might as well love > them compassionately anyway: though I know I am not like them, neverthless > I *am* them. At that point it passes through me... ("now wash your > hands..." <lol>) Joshua, my son, must wash his hands before he touches any food. Ok, great habit to have. But if he touches anything prior to eating, he has to go wash them again. He comes out of the bathroom, holding his hands up like a surgeon until he picks up his fork. It is hilarious. His counselor is working on this with him. :-) In the meantime, I try to get him to eat dirt. > (btw, I still like astrology, almost everyone I meet, walks in the sunset, > good food, making music and washing regularly. I do often poison myself in > my busy mind with anything less than love, but that love is *mine* (all > mine, I tell you... hahaha...8-D ) Robert, you are adorable. I like astrology too . And what is astrology but discovering yourself, and discovering more of yourself through another. I spent a few years staying clear of it out of fear that it was *wrong*. I finally realized it didn't matter. Ah heck, I stayed clear of many things out of fear. But like Jill said in an earlier post, when our kundalini is active, protection is needed. Especially if we think it is. > tg, love ya, and anyway, what if I didn't? ) I'm already visualizing the duct-tape over your mouth. But really... I'd throw a cotton-pickin' fit, bring out my cellular memory of codependence and insist you like me. Or maybe I'd cry my dramatic Lucy-bit, a personal fav. or eat some ice cream and gain more weight. Or all of the above. ahhh, but, here's my top choice -- if you don't like me, that is your problem. :-) I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to worship me. Much Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 Hi Rob, >I've been struggling with this word "surrender" for a long while. It has >bothered me when I've read posts where someone blithely states I just need >to surrender and all will be well. (How would *they* know, look at the >trouble I'm in, it ain't that easy or I would have done it already, it's an >invitation for genetic suicide etc.) > >After a series of adventures lately, I am revisiting the word. I take it it >doesn't mean "you lose, sucker"... coz, I've been there too many times. Nor >does it need you to surrender to something that is a threat to the real >you, afiak. No, it doesn't mean blanket surrender to everyone and everything! )) > The fear is just digital encoding for the sake of limited >structural integrity. Useful, but not the whole story. Yes, self-preservation is important, but the time comes when it's a hindrance. If my students aren't already in contact with their spiritual guides, I help them to establish contact... to hear the voice of the inner Master, the spiritual guru, the inner guide, who is usually the high self. And I tell them to give their devotion and surrender to him/her... Devotion and surrender ARE important... and who better to adore and surrender to than your own spiritual guru? >I think in surrender what happens is you see something that you cannot >assimilate in your own being, and through surrender you make the greatest, >bravest act in allowing this "otherness" to become one with you, and you >with it. Beautiful! And then assimilation does happen... as you become one with your own guru, your high self. >And then perhaps you realise there is nothing to fear, only the limited >concepts of self playing you around, pushing their many reasons why a thing >must not be, afraid that your sense of who you are is at stake, saying >"don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain". > >So surrender frees you from maintaining a structure that is artificial and >saps your flow (gotta let the sap flow...) Yes... opens you right up to the flow. >So that's where I am today. Feel better than I have in a while, too. Glad to hear it! Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 Hi tg, >Joshua, my son, must wash his hands before he touches any food. Ok, great >habit to have. But if he touches anything prior to eating, he has to go wash >them again. He comes out of the bathroom, holding his hands up like a >surgeon until he picks up his fork. It is hilarious. His counselor is >working on this with him. :-) In the meantime, I try to get him to eat >dirt. ))) Reminds me of when we were roasting wienies in a fire in the back yard, and my Mom dropped one on the ground. She picked it up and brushed off and put it in a bun. She said, "Oh well, a little dirt never hurt anyone." I was horrified! But it must have sunk in... over the years I don't know how many times I've said that: "A little dirt never hurt anyone." )) >> tg, love ya, and anyway, what if I didn't? ) > >I'm already visualizing the duct-tape over your mouth. But really... I'd >throw a cotton-pickin' fit, bring out my cellular memory of codependence and >insist you like me. Or maybe I'd cry my dramatic Lucy-bit, a personal fav. >or eat some ice cream and gain more weight. Or all of the above. ahhh, but, >here's my top choice -- if you don't like me, that is your problem. :-) > >I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to worship me. Thank you, Mahateegee! Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 When experiences that grew out of kundalini awakening resulted in my feeling the emotions and psychic states of others, quite openly and without my willing it, I became a little anxious about how to "protect myself". Part of this concern was about food--ayurveda teaches that the emotions and spiritual state of the cook are in the food. Oh no! What does this mean if we have to stop at Subway for a sandwich on a busy day, instead of going home and baking our bread after a quiet meditation, then making our wholesome fresh spiritually clean lunch! My solution was to mentally thank and pray for everyone who was in any way connected with the preparation of the food I eat, rather than try to rid the food of all influence. Jill At 06:17 PM 1/23/00 EST, you wrote: >LeTeegee > >In a message dated 01/22/2000 11:42:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, >anunda writes: > >> Every time I wash, I am conscious (mindful) of washing off >> emotions, both my own, and those that I have picked up from others. > >> every time I eat, I am conscious of removing all of the vibrations >> of any person who has handled either the food, >> the utensils or the ingredients prior to me receiving it in front of me. > >These actions are based on fear. Psychic empathic vibes, thoughts, feelings, >emotions and perceptions we pick up from others can also be quite an >inspirational gift. One that we asked for -- that we consciously or >unconsciously chose to accept. To remove all these *bad* (or even *good*) >vibes before discovering the gift within it, is a big waste of our own >energy. > >You heard it here first. > >:-) >xxxtg > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! >Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in >forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme./ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > >------ > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the > ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where > the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true > devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from > within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 At 12:14 24/01/00 EST, you wrote: >LeTeegee > >In a message dated 01/24/2000 6:10:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, >Robert_Weil writes: > > >Hi Robert... thanks for writing. What a joy you are! Why, thank you kindly ma'am... You have been making *me* smile for nearly a year, so there... I've always had a >difficult time with the cleansing rituals... mainly cause I'm your basically >lazy person, physically and spiritually. Always looking for the shortcut and >the remote control. I couldn't learn to love the dirt permanently either -- >it was a thankless and exhausting job, and I had waaay too much karma to >burn. LOL I had to find a better way. Well, me too. I got a spiritual brickbat some years ago, and I am more focussed now, but one of the best bits of advice a therapist gave me was a quote from Kurt Vonnegut: "We are put on this earth to fart around". Calmed me down nicely. I particularly appreciated her honesty, as it risked losing a long-term client! Some days I want someone to fix it for me, it's the daily chore aspect that gets me. No wonder the Universe keeps sending me "interesting" scenarios to keep me awake (if a wee bit stressed). (Nothing to do with my higher self, of course) > snip>> >> Apparently, that's what happens when you grok the Diamond Sutras... )) >> Trouble... > >LOL! Great story. Thanks for sharing it. One of my favourites. Did it for me first time I read it. Helped me through an interesting scenario with an ex of mine and a bunch of Golden Dawn type magical amateurs. Long story... > snip>> them compassionately anyway: though I know I am not like them, neverthless >> I *am* them. At that point it passes through me... ("now wash your >> hands..." <lol>) > >Joshua, my son, must wash his hands before he touches any food. Ok, great >habit to have. But if he touches anything prior to eating, he has to go wash >them again. He comes out of the bathroom, holding his hands up like a >surgeon until he picks up his fork. It is hilarious. His counselor is >working on this with him. :-) In the meantime, I try to get him to eat >dirt. <LOL> Has he ever lost a main course? Is he that exact about other things? > snip>> my busy mind with anything less than love, but that love is *mine* (all >> mine, I tell you... hahaha...8-D ) > >Robert, you are adorable. I like astrology too . And what is astrology but >discovering yourself, and discovering more of yourself through another. As within, so without, as above, so below, takes one to know one, that kinda stuff. Respect to Dharma, she's way beyond my skills. I >spent a few years staying clear of it out of fear that it was *wrong*. I >finally realized it didn't matter. Christian background? Was it the old superstition thing, you know, witches and dark forces? Ah heck, I stayed clear of many things >out of fear. Oh, me too! Lack of encouragement in those early years a factor, along with a sensitive nature. I'm getting there now. I look back sometimes and wish... and then think "well if I want it that much, I can aim to do it now". But like Jill said in an earlier post, when our kundalini is >active, protection is needed. Especially if we think it is. I love that! There's a cosmic chuckle in that one. > >> tg, love ya, and anyway, what if I didn't? ) > >I'm already visualizing the duct-tape over your mouth. <LOmff> I trust it's consensual... But really... I'd >throw a cotton-pickin' fit, bring out my cellular memory of codependence and >insist you like me. Well, that might work, it's plausible, seeing as how you are so likable anyway... >Or maybe I'd cry my dramatic Lucy-bit, a personal fav. Ohno, the number of times I've played Heathcliff to a Cathy... I particularly empathised in the book where he is seen banging his head against a tree out of anger, jealousy and frustration ) I'm much better now, thank you.... >or eat some ice cream and gain more weight. Or all of the above. Spectacular! Do you find that shouting with your mouth full tends to redecorate the kitchen? I reccomend tutti frutti for that stucco/mediteranean look... ahhh, but, >here's my top choice -- if you don't like me, that is your problem. :-) Love it. The ladylike huff. Just make sure you keep appearing so that I would know what I'm missing... > >I'm really easy to get along with once you people learn to worship me. I've noticed. And I'm putting that line in my resume... ("And what is your line of work?You expect me to *work*??") MuchLove in return, beautiful one Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2000 Report Share Posted January 26, 2000 Good Morning Rob... tg: >I've always had a >difficult time with the cleansing rituals... mainly cause I'm your basically >lazy person, physically and spiritually. Always looking for the shortcut and >the remote control. I couldn't learn to love the dirt permanently either -- >it was a thankless and exhausting job, and I had waaay too much karma to >burn. LOL I had to find a better way. > Well, me too. I got a spiritual brickbat some years ago, and I am more > focussed now, but one of the best bits of advice a therapist gave me was a > quote from Kurt Vonnegut: "We are put on this earth to fart around". Calmed > me down nicely. I particularly appreciated her honesty, as it risked losing > a long-term client! Such a well-put statement of 'the path'. LOL I think it is something to remember when we get too serious. Which I do at times, and I always appreciate the reminder. Seems to me, that when we get really serious on our pathway, it is caused by fear. Kinda like learning to play the piano, which I am doing these days... It is sooo much fun and such a joy to be learning it and playing songs now I could never imagine I would ever be able to play. But when I get serious and frustrated about the whole thing, it is always because I'm thinking about I have so much yet to learn, so much more I want to play, instead of just enjoying the moments I have with what I already do know. I begin comparing myself to the 'better players'. Joy and peace leave -- seriousness and frustration enters. > Some days I want someone to fix it for me, it's the daily chore aspect that > gets me. No wonder the Universe keeps sending me "interesting" scenarios to > keep me awake (if a wee bit stressed). (Nothing to do with my higher > self, of course) Of course. :-) > >LOL! Great story. Thanks for sharing it. > > One of my favourites. You must be from jolly ol' England, with the spelling of favorites. (?) They seem to add the U to words, for a regal feel to them. I like it. It feels right. >Did it for me first time I read it. Helped me through > an interesting scenario with an ex of mine and a bunch of Golden Dawn type > magical amateurs. Long story... I'd love to hear it one day when you feel like sharing. rob: > snip>> them compassionately anyway: though I know I am not like them, > neverthless I *am* them. At that point it passes through me... ("now wash your > >> hands..." <lol>) > > tg> >Joshua, my son, must wash his hands before he touches any food. Ok, great > >habit to have. But if he touches anything prior to eating, he has to go > wash > >them again. He comes out of the bathroom, holding his hands up like a > >surgeon until he picks up his fork. It is hilarious. His counselor is > >working on this with him. :-) In the meantime, I try to get him to eat > >dirt. > rob:> <LOL> Has he ever lost a main course? Is he that exact about other things? Joshua is certainly not your average almost 16 year old. He is an old soul, with great wisdom AND ninetendo skills. He borders on eccentricity. Since his dad died in 97, he picked up some strange things due to internal 'not released' anger, like the hand-washing thing and hurting himself in different ways. He is doing so much better now that he is in counseling, learning how to release this anger. Unfortunately/fortunately these days, the anger IS getting externalized, and I am the verbal punching bag. I have to then work with him on redirecting his anger. It's a bit difficult right now, but I'm hanging in there. :-) rob> snip>> my busy mind with anything less than love, but that love is *mine* > (all mine, I tell you... hahaha...8-D ) > > tg> >Robert, you are adorable. I like astrology too . And what is astrology > but discovering yourself, and discovering more of yourself through another. > rob> As within, so without, as above, so below, takes one to know one, that > kinda stuff. Respect to Dharma, she's way beyond my skills. She's way beyond mine too. Which is good -- I can always call on her with questions! She is definitely the best astrologer I have come across. > tg> I spent a few years staying clear of it out of fear that it was *wrong*. I > >finally realized it didn't matter. > rob> Christian background? Was it the old superstition thing, you know, witches > and dark forces? Yes... my granddaddy was a hell-fire and brimstone Baptist preacher. Lots of good memories of that tho since they let me sleep through his sermons. (snipped small talk) > MuchLove in return, beautiful one > Rob It was definitely my pleasure. Have a most wonderful week! Love,xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 At 09:48 26/01/00 EST, you wrote: >LeTeegee > >Good Morning Rob... Good Morning tg! > snip>> quote from Kurt Vonnegut: "We are put on this earth to fart around". Calmed >> me down nicely. I particularly appreciated her honesty, as it risked losing >> a long-term client! > >Such a well-put statement of 'the path'. LOL I think it is something to >remember when we get too serious. Which I do at times, and I always >appreciate the reminder. Well, rain or shine, as long as it's real weather... > >Seems to me, that when we get really serious on our pathway, it is caused by >fear. Yeah, gets me too, but imo sometimes seriousness is just nailing your colours to the mast. Kinda like learning to play the piano, which I am doing these >days... It is sooo much fun and such a joy to be learning it and playing >songs now I could never imagine I would ever be able to play. But when I get >serious and frustrated about the whole thing, it is always because I'm >thinking about I have so much yet to learn, so much more I want to play, >instead of just enjoying the moments I have with what I already do know. I >begin comparing myself to the 'better players'. Joy and peace leave -- >seriousness and frustration enters. Well, I think I know what you mean. I used to play improvised music to audiences, and the dynamics of how things felt and how I felt in response got pretty complex sometimes. We used to try to play within the "feel" of the night, and play to it. One thing I found was that I couldn't always tell if I was "doing it right", because some nights I thought I was hot and the audience was just not moved, other times we did a set and we felt efficient but uninspired,and ppl would rave about us. Sometimes we *knew* what we were... Sometimes feeling terrible (lack of sleep, sadness, hangover whatever) brought out something special. And frustration sometimes pushed me to try for something new and daring. But that performance anxiety: that's a good one, isn't it?. Gets in the way of the flow, and I get that writing to a list these days, sometimes. Doesn't it just mess up one's timing, boldness and relaxation? I still compare myself to better players, and it's painful every time. Why do I do it? Because I don't see myself as others do. I see my faults and their persistence, and miss all the good stuff that just happens. Silly me. I know I've got a lot to learn, I would like to just relax and let it happen. > snip> >You must be from jolly ol' England, with the spelling of favorites. (?) They >seem to add the U to words, for a regal feel to them. I like it. It feels >right. > It's that Frenchy influence: in ancient times the English court spoke french (helped the class system....) It feels strange to see those invisible "u"'s (bit like reading the posts, really... >>Did it for me first time I read it. Helped me through >> an interesting scenario with an ex of mine and a bunch of Golden Dawn type >> magical amateurs. Long story... > >I'd love to hear it one day when you feel like sharing. Honoured. But not today. Would take too long. I'm a little overcommitted at present, but I'll drop it by when I'm in the mood for sillyness. > snip>> >surgeon until he picks up his fork. It is hilarious. His counselor is >> >working on this with him. :-) In the meantime, I try to get him to eat >> >dirt. >> >rob:> <LOL> Has he ever lost a main course? Is he that exact about other >things? > Hope you took no offence, tg. >Joshua is certainly not your average almost 16 year old. He is an old soul, >with great wisdom AND ninetendo skills. He borders on eccentricity. Since >his dad died in 97, he picked up some strange things due to internal 'not >released' anger, like the hand-washing thing and hurting himself in different >ways. I'm sorry to hear that. Must have been bad for you both. Kids do seem to find inventive ways to release hurt tho'. He is doing so much better now that he is in counseling, learning how >to release this anger. Unfortunately/fortunately these days, the anger IS >getting externalized, and I am the verbal punching bag. I have to then work >with him on redirecting his anger. It's a bit difficult right now, but I'm >hanging in there. :-) Wishing you well there. You really sound like you deserve each other. I hope it will make your love between you stronger. Tell him someone from around the world thinks he's a cool bloke. > >rob> snip>> my busy mind with anything less than love, but that love is >*mine* >> (all mine, I tell you... hahaha...8-D ) >> > >tg> >Robert, you are adorable. I like astrology too . And what is >astrology >> but discovering yourself, and discovering more of yourself through another. >> >rob> As within, so without, as above, so below, takes one to know one, that >> kinda stuff. Respect to Dharma, she's way beyond my skills. > >She's way beyond mine too. Which is good -- I can always call on her with >questions! She is definitely the best astrologer I have come across. She's been pushing me to follow through on some commitments on another list. I'm so busy at present, and have been battling an energy drain, so I'm needing to protect my energies and stay flexible. She'll get it tho', I believe in follow-through. >> >tg> I spent a few years staying clear of it out of fear that it was >*wrong*. I >> >finally realized it didn't matter. >> >rob> Christian background? Was it the old superstition thing, you know, >witches >> and dark forces? > >Yes... my granddaddy was a hell-fire and brimstone Baptist preacher. Lots of >good memories of that tho since they let me sleep through his sermons. Laid back from an early age, eh? My family was half German, taught me about how predjudice grows in young children. Spoke German first, in England, and that was not too popular... Lost my dad too, but when I was one year old. > >It was definitely my pleasure. Have a most wonderful week! Actually, not too bad! Thanx! How you do that? Must go: got a meeting. A pleasure for me too. Enjoy the weekend, and catch you later. Love Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 Hi Rob and tg, > tg: > Kinda like learning to play the piano, which I am doing these >>days... Good for you! >It is sooo much fun and such a joy to be learning it and playing >>songs now I could never imagine I would ever be able to play. But when I get >>serious and frustrated about the whole thing, it is always because I'm >>thinking about I have so much yet to learn, so much more I want to play, >>instead of just enjoying the moments I have with what I already do know. I >>begin comparing myself to the 'better players'. Joy and peace leave -- >>seriousness and frustration enters. In the family I grew up in... or maybe it was our home town... when people came to the house, sooner or later they asked anyone who could play an instrument or sing to do their thing. No one expected perfection... they just wanted to hear us play. I remember going to visit a great-aunt... She was an old lady, lived alone and couldn't get out much. She spent her free time practicing the piano, because when people came, that was one thing she could give them... she could play the pinao for them. She didn't play as well as she once had, but who cared? It was wonderful to watch and listen to her playing. Almost everyone in the family wrote poetry and sent it around... now we have a collected book of it. Nobody cares about who's a better poet technically... every poem is a gift from the heart, and they are all beautiful. >Rob: >Well, I think I know what you mean. I used to play improvised music to >audiences, and the dynamics of how things felt and how I felt in response >got pretty complex sometimes. We used to try to play within the "feel" of >the night, and play to it. One thing I found was that I couldn't always >tell if I was "doing it right", because some nights I thought I was hot and >the audience was just not moved, other times we did a set and we felt >efficient but uninspired,and ppl would rave about us. Sometimes we *knew* >what we were... Sometimes feeling terrible (lack of sleep, sadness, >hangover whatever) brought out something special. And frustration sometimes >pushed me to try for something new and daring. Acting on the stage is like that too... every audience is different. Sometimes you feel you have complete control and you can play the audience like a pipe organ... you can make the whole building laugh, or cry. Other nights you can't seem to do anything they really like. And other nights they like you... but they're laughing in the wrong places. )) >But that performance anxiety: that's a good one, isn't it?. Gets in the way >of the flow, and I get that writing to a list these days, sometimes. >Doesn't it just mess up one's timing, boldness and relaxation? > >I still compare myself to better players, and it's painful every time. Why >do I do it? Because I don't see myself as others do. Well, since you know that, why don't you just give up on it? Just do your thing, do the best you can, and don't give a damn about how they react. If they like it, fine. If they don't like it, okay. That's what the Gita says: act without caring about the fruits of your actions. Do the best you can, and then smile and shrug your shoulders and go on to the next thing. Notice that when you do that, you're doing for the sheer joy of what you're doing... because you want to do it... and not for some external reason, like worrying about reactions. Just pure action, pure doing... >She's been pushing me to follow through on some commitments on another >list. I'm so busy at present, and have been battling an energy drain, so >I'm needing to protect my energies and stay flexible. She'll get it tho', I >believe in follow-through. Just a reminder... for sometime, not meant as pushing. )) I know how busy you are. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 At 06:19 28/01/00 -0500, you wrote: >Dharma <fisher1 > >Hi Rob and tg, > > Hi Dharma, >In the family I grew up in... or maybe it was our home town... when >people came to the house, sooner or later they asked anyone who could play >an instrument or sing to do their thing. No one expected perfection... >they just wanted to hear us play. > >I remember going to visit a great-aunt... She was an old lady, lived alone >and couldn't get out much. She spent her free time practicing the piano, >because when people came, that was one thing she could give them... she >could play the pinao for them. She didn't play as well as she once had, >but who cared? It was wonderful to watch and listen to her playing. I love that. > >Almost everyone in the family wrote poetry and sent it around... now we >have a collected book of it. Nobody cares about who's a better poet >technically... every poem is a gift from the heart, and they are all >beautiful. I would like that to happen around my friends: I'll mention that, and see how they take the idea. Thanks, Dharma. I like the sentiments yu wrote. That seems the right way to approach such things, tho' sometimes one can still feel shy. > >>Rob: >>Well, I think I know what you mean. I used to play improvised music to >>audiences, and the dynamics of how things felt and how I felt in response >>got pretty complex sometimes. We used to try to play within the "feel" of >>the night, and play to it. One thing I found was that I couldn't always >>tell if I was "doing it right", because some nights I thought I was hot and >>the audience was just not moved, other times we did a set and we felt >>efficient but uninspired,and ppl would rave about us. Sometimes we *knew* >>what we were... Sometimes feeling terrible (lack of sleep, sadness, >>hangover whatever) brought out something special. And frustration sometimes >>pushed me to try for something new and daring. > >Acting on the stage is like that too... every audience is different. >Sometimes you feel you have complete control and you can play the audience >like a pipe organ... you can make the whole building laugh, or cry. Other >nights you can't seem to do anything they really like. And other nights >they like you... but they're laughing in the wrong places. )) To me, and the band, it was never a matter of trying to control an audience, Dharma. We left that to the pop idols. the idea was to flow together, audience and band, one reflecting the other, and it was difficult to get happening. We had to tune ourselves, in a way. The audience had to be open, flowing, and we had to be able to pick up on their mood and contribute to the shared experience. Sounds grand, but not really. We just wanted to find inspiration in the moment. It also helped overcome stage fright: we didn't have to be perfect! ) But we did have to do our best. It was like a jump into the unknown in some ways, with not a lot of musical structure to hide behind. > >>I still compare myself to better players, and it's painful every time. Why >>do I do it? Because I don't see myself as others do. > >Well, since you know that, why don't you just give up on it? Because sometimes I'm between phone booths, still got the mild-mannered disguise on... Being natural is a process, imo. And clearing out old habits can take time, sometimes. Apologies if that is frustrating. Just do your >thing, do the best you can, and don't give a damn about how they react. If >they like it, fine. If they don't like it, okay. That's what the Gita >says: act without caring about the fruits of your actions. Do the best you >can, and then smile and shrug your shoulders and go on to the next thing. Totally with that. I find it healing tho' to let even the doubt (if it is there) be part of the dance. Less to fight against... > >Notice that when you do that, you're doing for the sheer joy of what you're >doing... because you want to do it... and not for some external reason, >like worrying about reactions. Just pure action, pure doing... Thanks. I do not operate in a vacuum when I play improvised music live, though. There is a continuum operating, with me and the audience participants in a dance of experience. I want to make it good. Foolish perhaps, but perhaps understandable. > >>She's been pushing me to follow through on some commitments on another >>list. I'm so busy at present, and have been battling an energy drain, so >>I'm needing to protect my energies and stay flexible. She'll get it tho', I >>believe in follow-through. > >Just a reminder... for sometime, not meant as pushing. )) I know how >busy you are. Ok, my mistake, I did receive it as a strong reminder, perhaps since it matters to me. Check out KJade: there's some nice stuff by R D Laing there now. Maybe I could post it here: some of it is def non-dual material...? Peace Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 Hi Rob, >>Acting on the stage is like that too... every audience is different. >>Sometimes you feel you have complete control and you can play the audience >>like a pipe organ... you can make the whole building laugh, or cry. Other >>nights you can't seem to do anything they really like. And other nights >>they like you... but they're laughing in the wrong places. )) > >To me, and the band, it was never a matter of trying to control an >audience, Dharma. We left that to the pop idols. I didn't mean control in an overbearing, negative sense. I was thinking of doing comedy, which is more difficult... the timing has to be so precise. And sometimes you just feel so in sync with the audience that the right timing is right there... it's easy, it flows, and they respond... it's like one body... like thinking of the arm moving, and it moves. When they're happy but laugh at the wrong times, I don't know what the heck is happening... on different wave-lengths, maybe. ) >the idea was to flow >together, audience and band, one reflecting the other, and it was difficult >to get happening. We had to tune ourselves, in a way. The audience had to >be open, flowing, and we had to be able to pick up on their mood and >contribute to the shared experience. Sounds grand, but not really. We just >wanted to find inspiration in the moment. It also helped overcome stage >fright: we didn't have to be perfect! ) But we did have to do our best. >It was like a jump into the unknown in some ways, with not a lot of musical >structure to hide behind. Sounds wonderful... I played with a band in high school, but it was just a little Dixieland band, and at that age we weren't much into shared experience... just played our Dixieland. >>>I still compare myself to better players, and it's painful every time. Why >>>do I do it? Because I don't see myself as others do. >> >>Well, since you know that, why don't you just give up on it? > >Because sometimes I'm between phone booths, still got the mild-mannered >disguise on... ))))))) Will the real RobSuperman please stand up? )) >Being natural is a process, imo. And clearing out old >habits can take time, sometimes. Apologies if that is frustrating. I know. Some clearing methods are faster than others, but still, it's hard to get rid of that old stuff. >Just do your >>thing, do the best you can, and don't give a damn about how they react. If >>they like it, fine. If they don't like it, okay. That's what the Gita >>says: act without caring about the fruits of your actions. Do the best you >>can, and then smile and shrug your shoulders and go on to the next thing. > >Totally with that. I find it healing tho' to let even the doubt (if it >is there) be part of the dance. Less to fight against... >> >>Notice that when you do that, you're doing for the sheer joy of what you're >>doing... because you want to do it... and not for some external reason, >>like worrying about reactions. Just pure action, pure doing... > >Thanks. I do not operate in a vacuum when I play improvised music live, >though. There is a continuum operating, with me and the audience >participants in a dance of experience. I want to make it good. Foolish >perhaps, but perhaps understandable. No, it sounds like a kind of music I haven't done, and I love it. >>>She's been pushing me to follow through on some commitments on another >>>list. I'm so busy at present, and have been battling an energy drain, so >>>I'm needing to protect my energies and stay flexible. She'll get it tho', I >>>believe in follow-through. >> >>Just a reminder... for sometime, not meant as pushing. )) I know how >>busy you are. > >Ok, my mistake, I did receive it as a strong reminder, perhaps since it >matters to me. Check out KJade: there's some nice stuff by R D Laing there >now. Maybe I could post it here: some of it is def non-dual material...? Sure, post it all! I know tg will love it! ) Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 At 11:14 28/01/00 -0500, you wrote: >Dharma <fisher1 > >Hi Rob, Hellooo Dharma, What a funny old time this is... ) Hope your flu is fading, and you are feeling better! > snip>>>nights you can't seem to do anything they really like. And other nights >>>they like you... but they're laughing in the wrong places. )) >> >>To me, and the band, it was never a matter of trying to control an >>audience, Dharma. We left that to the pop idols. > >I didn't mean control in an overbearing, negative sense. I was thinking of >doing comedy, which is more difficult... the timing has to be so precise. >And sometimes you just feel so in sync with the audience that the right >timing is right there... it's easy, it flows, and they respond... it's >like one body... like thinking of the arm moving, and it moves. Oh, I see! Yes, that makes much more sense to me! And we've played, found a wonderful flowing point of synergy, and then gone "wow! - uh, whoops!" It's weird doing this intentionally and allowing it to do itself too! > >When they're happy but laugh at the wrong times, I don't know what the heck >is happening... on different wave-lengths, maybe. ) Wavelengths. Hmmm. Human condition...? > snip>>It was like a jump into the unknown in some ways, with not a lot of musical >>structure to hide behind. > >Sounds wonderful... I played with a band in high school, but it was just a >little Dixieland band, and at that age we weren't much into shared >experience... just played our Dixieland. Still loads of fun! I don't mean to harp on about the wonders of the music i did years ago, it wasn't all great, and there was farce and frustration and a lot of effort involved, but at the time that was all I wanted to do with my life. Impractical and often self-indulgent too, but fun and something beyond fun... > >>>>I still compare myself to better players, and it's painful every time. Why >>>>do I do it? Because I don't see myself as others do. >>> >>>Well, since you know that, why don't you just give up on it? >> >>Because sometimes I'm between phone booths, still got the mild-mannered >>disguise on... > >))))))) Will the real RobSuperman please stand up? )) <ROFLOL> 8))))) -> )))) > >>Being natural is a process, imo. And clearing out old >>habits can take time, sometimes. Apologies if that is frustrating. > >I know. Some clearing methods are faster than others, but still, it's hard >to get rid of that old stuff. That's all I'm doin'. The rest is on target. )) > snip>> >>Thanks. I do not operate in a vacuum when I play improvised music live, >>though. There is a continuum operating, with me and the audience >>participants in a dance of experience. I want to make it good. Foolish >>perhaps, but perhaps understandable. > >No, it sounds like a kind of music I haven't done, and I love it. When it works, well cool. When not, it's just stuff... btw, How come we always end up discussing music? ) > >>>>She's been pushing me to follow through on some commitments on another >>>>list. I'm so busy at present, and have been battling an energy drain, so >>>>I'm needing to protect my energies and stay flexible. She'll get it tho', I >>>>believe in follow-through. >>> >>>Just a reminder... for sometime, not meant as pushing. )) I know how >>>busy you are. >> >>Ok, my mistake, I did receive it as a strong reminder, perhaps since it >>matters to me. Check out KJade: there's some nice stuff by R D Laing there >>now. Maybe I could post it here: some of it is def non-dual material...? > >Sure, post it all! I know tg will love it! ) Thank you, Dharma. Speak to you soon. Take care of yourself. Have a good weekend everyone. Love Rob > >Love, >Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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