Guest guest Posted January 24, 2000 Report Share Posted January 24, 2000 At 11:21 PM 1/23/00 -0500, you wrote: >Xanma > >< Xan: >You have shared here a perspective >concerning subtle and gross bodies >in response to the question raised >concerning incarnation as *appearance* only. >Your perspective indicates that >you perceive bodies, yet such bodies >are *appearance* in, of, and through Self. > >The question becomes, as seen from here, >what does it mean to say a body >*appears* and such body meanwhile >comes from and is within "Self"? > >What has appeared that is other than Self? > >If nothing other than Self has ever appeared >to appear - how can we meaningfully discuss >any "one" who ever incarnates, and how >can there be said to be anything other >than an imaginary beginning or end to >something called "incarnation"? > >Love, >Dan > > > >~ Seen in this light there is also no discussion >about the impossibility of discussion. > >We do appear to have carnal forms >We also appear to have more subtle forms >There is nothing but Self. > >You asked who incarnates. >Subtle energy forms is the answer. > > >blessings >xan Dan: Subtle energy forms are appearances, configurations. Configurations of subtle forms involve subtle thought. In the "thoughtless" there is no incarnation. The subtle forms are held together by nothing, except what has been called "desire" or "thought". When "desire" and "thought" are seen as manifestation of emptiness, then incarnation is seen for what it is, and what it isn't. Nothing incarnates because no-thing is all there is, the whole time. Enjoying the appearance of incarnation is similar to enjoying an ice cream cone. One is a more tightly configured thought-form. Bodies within bodies, and bodies including other bodies in their being - there's no end to it. Thus, there's no beginning to it. Incarnation has no *real* beginning, hence is a conceptual convention, useful for some discussions, not for others. What is important to me here is this: Your body and my body end up being the same body. So, let me rest here: all of the apparently diverse bodies are "my" body. There is no "me" here - so "my" body is "your" body. "My" body is nature, is the universe, is no-thingness. "My" body is Love. Love is the only body there is. It is no-body's body :-) -- Love -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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