Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 Thought you might enjoy this................................Harsha Forwarding "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd I appreciate your comments and your sharing of your view and path. I, as you, appreciate the concept of stillness. I feel there is a Stillness that is simply beyond either effort or effortlessness, about which there is neither an approach, nor no approach. This is Stillness that includes all sound, all motion, all being. Infinitely far, and beyond any sensing, it is fully Now. Does it dawn on us or in when we're still, or do we arise in It, and It always still? All-encompassing, yet possessing nothing, it doesn't arise in us, or in anything. We and all arise in It, and as It. Arising in Stillness - this moment as all arises in Stillness - what kind of Stillness is This? There are, as you say, paths that prepare people to become still. And, as everything in the universe occurs in synchronous harmony, such paths arising and departing are simply an aspect of the total Being, as rightfully in place as all other arisings. However, a path that prepares a person is necessarily defined as "preparing a person." There is always a "vehicle" or "vessel," and "That" which is received by the "vessel". An analogy is fixing up a radio to be able to receive a certain signal. The question here is whether there isn't something beyond the reception of signals, something beyond any vessel? That is, the Unknown as it is in Itself (as Self), not as a "something" to be received, but as pure "Selfness". How could there be a path, how could there be a radio to receive Such? It is All radios, and All signals, and All space simultaneously! It seems fully a surprise to the "relative mind", the mind-body not able to "handle" It - only something indescribable, discussed as "opening" "emptyingimmersingtransforming", etc. Always purely Unknown, something for which there can be no preparation. "I come as a thief in the night," said Jesus. When we pursue a path that prepares us for something, will the path prepare us for a pathless Unknown from which being/nonbeing, all time/space/becoming arise as Totality? The Unknown "acts" immediately, fully, as Totality - yet completely empty of any identifying characteristics. A path can only prepare for what is known, something that has a characteristic, something that can be approached (which involves time). The Unknown is timeless, needs no approach, has no approach. Nothing is outside of It, so how can there be one who approaches? How can there be any particular "person" receiving it, preparing for it? At the same time, how can one say any "person" is excluded, any path is inadequate, or anything is not already fully "of It, in It, and through It"? * Love-Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2000 Report Share Posted September 18, 2000 - Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) <hluthar (AT) onelist (DOT) com < >; <Kundalini-Gateway > Friday, January 28, 2000 11:32 AM Stillness "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar Thought you might enjoy this................................Harsha Forwarding "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd I appreciate your comments and your sharing of your view and path. I, as you, appreciate the concept of stillness. I feel there is a Stillness that is simply beyond either effort or effortlessness, about which there is neither an approach, nor no approach. This is Stillness that includes all sound, all motion, all being. Infinitely far, and beyond any sensing, it is fully Now. Does it dawn on us or in when we're still, or do we arise in It, and It always still? All-encompassing, yet possessing nothing, it doesn't arise in us, or in anything. We and all arise in It, and as It. Arising in Stillness - this moment as all arises in Stillness - what kind of Stillness is This? There are, as you say, paths that prepare people to become still. And, as everything in the universe occurs in synchronous harmony, such paths arising and departing are simply an aspect of the total Being, as rightfully in place as all other arisings. However, a path that prepares a person is necessarily defined as "preparing a person." There is always a "vehicle" or "vessel," and "That" which is received by the "vessel". An analogy is fixing up a radio to be able to receive a certain signal. The question here is whether there isn't something beyond the reception of signals, something beyond any vessel? That is, the Unknown as it is in Itself (as Self), not as a "something" to be received, but as pure "Selfness". How could there be a path, how could there be a radio to receive Such? It is All radios, and All signals, and All space simultaneously! It seems fully a surprise to the "relative mind", the mind-body not able to "handle" It - only something indescribable, discussed as "opening" "emptyingimmersingtransforming", etc. Always purely Unknown, something for which there can be no preparation. "I come as a thief in the night," said Jesus. When we pursue a path that prepares us for something, will the path prepare us for a pathless Unknown from which being/nonbeing, all time/space/becoming arise as Totality? The Unknown "acts" immediately, fully, as Totality - yet completely empty of any identifying characteristics. A path can only prepare for what is known, something that has a characteristic, something that can be approached (which involves time). The Unknown is timeless, needs no approach, has no approach. Nothing is outside of It, so how can there be one who approaches? How can there be any particular "person" receiving it, preparing for it? At the same time, how can one say any "person" is excluded, any path is inadequate, or anything is not already fully "of It, in It, and through It"? * Love-Dan --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you need - quick, easy, and FREE click <a href=" http://clickme./ad/GetSmartRefinance ">Click Here</a> ------ All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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