Guest guest Posted January 30, 2000 Report Share Posted January 30, 2000 Aw c'mon, Tony, >After visiting all these non-dual >lists, I really don't think anyone is above the level >of mind, manomayakosa, or even will achieve >liberation, or 1 in a billion anyway. If you really believe this, why do you bother with us? Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2000 Report Share Posted January 30, 2000 Namaste Zenbob et al, Zenbob wrote:=>It would be a terrible error to suggest that Sathya Sai Baba "stole his name" from Shirdi Sai Baba. That is like suggesting that Uncle Sam Jones, stole his name from "Uncle Sam" the moniker for the US. Sai Baba is a generic term, not a "name" and means affectionately, "holy father" not unlike calling a favorite priest or religious leader "Good Father" or "your Holiness."< Sorry Zenbob your post was a lot of bollocks and innacurate supercilious crap!!!!How about that for rancour haahaha!!!!See I did learn something from the nondualitysalon! You assume that after 15 yrs including some executive positions that I don't know what Sai Baba means? It actually means divine mother and father. Don't all our names mean something? That is the name Raju goes by and that is what is printed all over his stationary etc.and is registered. If you use it like General Taylor did in Rishikesh, without permission you get sued etc. To say he is just using it generically is just displaying an amazing ignorance of the man and his operation. Also your advice although well taken, comes from an understanding of Bhuddism, if not Gautama, but a lack of knowledge of the Hindu Vedantic Path that I am in. Check Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, where Jnana is actually part of the four fold path of bhakti. As I have said previously, it is my opinion, we are in fact praneaswara and complete moksha is not really possible without the grace of the mother or saguna Brahman, for most people. For is that not what we are, even our mind is part of that. Dwelling on nothing will bring that state, perhaps a mergence with the forces of nature instead of a complete union with Nirguna Brahman. After visiting all these non-dual lists, I really don't think anyone is above the level of mind, manomayakosa, or even will achieve liberation, or 1 in a billion anyway. It is easier the way of Saguna Brahman is not that the first 'I', and desire? We have to become Brahman to stop our own dream. "There was neither non-existence nor existence then; there was neither the realm of space nor the sky which is beyond. What stirred? Where? In whose protection? Was there water, bottomless deep? " There was neither death nor immortality then. There was no distuingishing signs of night and day. That one breathed, windless, by its own impulse. Other than that there was nothing beyond, Darkness was hidden by darkness in the beginning; with no distinguishing sign all this was water. The life force that was covered with emptiness, that one arose through the power of heat, Desire came upon that one in the beginning; that was the first seed of mind. Poets seeking in their heart with wisdom found the bond of existence in non-existence, Their cord was extended across. Was there below? Was there above? There were seed-placers; there were powers. There was impulse beneath; there was giving-forth above, Who really knows? Who will here proclaim it? Whence was it produced? Whence is this creation? The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe. Who then knows whence it has arisen? Whence this creation has arisen-perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not-the one who looks down on it, in the highest heaven, only he knows-or perhaps he does not know. Rig Veda, 10.29, 1. Nasadiya-Creation Hymn. Wendy O'Flaherty.Penguin. It is interesting that the sky as described in the vedas is as it was prior to 8,000 B.C. Love and Om Namah Sivaya, Tony. ===== Keep on truckin-Chant the Gayatri! Breathe So----Ham! http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/sanskritglos.htm ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real, THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light, MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality. OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace. Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2000 Report Share Posted January 31, 2000 In a message dated 1/30/00 10:41:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, aoclery writes: << It actually means divine mother and father. >> That, Mr. Cleary is exactly what I said "Holy Father" which is equivalent to "Divine Father." I have had many years of practice in the Yoga and Vedanta paths and your comments are an insult to anyone with a shred of brain. I am almost convinced that you read these messages and fly into some kind of emotional flight, rather than thinking about them with any degree of reflection. Do you really believe that I am so shallow and foolish as you seem to suggest? You do yourself and everyone on this list a disservice by feeling compelled to vent your spleen like an adolescent. It solves nothing and in no way gains respect or understanding for you, your situation, or your communication skills. Your long winded and barely coherent Brahman rant does not clarify anything whatsoever. We are not discussing my "problems" or "disappointments" with Gurus, we are discussing yours. That was the essence of your posts. Let us stay on the subject and refrain from getting all flighty and absurd. None of these issues bothers me in the slightest. But they trigger vast emotional content in you. There must be reasons, and the causes are not there because your "Path" of Vedanta or Brahma-merging desire and efforts have gained you in degree of insight or thoughtfulness. The efforts have apparently been wasted...and you have only the anger left over...not the enlightenment or peace of a person who has merged with the Divine Unnamable. I regret that my comments and sense have somehow only created more angst with you. It must be a confusing and volatile situation being Tony all the time. Let it go...learn to move on and enjoy life. Take a walk in the park. Get some fresh air. Stop wasting time with all of this agonizing self turmoil. Well, I have given it my best shot. Blessings, Regards, Zenbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2000 Report Share Posted January 31, 2000 In a message dated 01/31/2000 1:47:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, ZEN2WRK writes: > I regret that my comments and sense have somehow only created more angst with you. It must be a confusing and volatile situation being Tony all the time. > Let it go...learn to move on and enjoy life. Take a walk in the park. Get > some fresh air. Stop wasting time with all of this agonizing self turmoil. Hi Zenbob... In a sense, Tony just faced the death of his guru, and he is going through the anger stage. Acceptance comes later. And it will come. >Well, I have given it my best shot. I don't think so. :-) xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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