Greg/Harsha/The Highest Teaching

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D: Enjoying your dialogue, Greg and Harsha.

Two more cents dropped into the well:

 

Every possible perspective simultaneously

from every possible dimension and mode of

consciousness = infinity.

No perspective, no grasp, no subject, no object = emptiness.

Fully infinite = fully empty.

Due to this fully empty infinity,

my perspective, with all its apparent limitations, appears.

Limitlessness is self-limiting, an infinity of possible perspectives

requires specific perspectives, emptiness requires

livingness.

My perspective arises from emptiness, is inseparable from infinity,

and yet involves a limitation of experience that allows

"temporal life". This is true of all perspectives,

of all "sentient beings," as the Buddhists like to say.

It is true of those with the "highest" awareness and

those with the most "limited" awareness. We tend

to value those who realize it, yet it is true for

all, simultaneously. Because it is simultaneously true

for all, teachers arise saying "realize who you are!"

Because it is empty, there is nothing to realize.

Because it is full, realizing this emptiness involves

us in all eternity of realization.

-- Love -- Dan

 

 

>Greg Goode <goode

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>This is talk about words - but most advaitins prefer to use the term

>fullness or the Self instead of emptiness. The fullness of the Self is

>Sat-Chit-Ananda. In Buddhism, this is not normally said of emptiness.

>Some, like Vivekananda, like to say that the plenum of the advaitin *just

>is* the void of the Buddhist. But most Buddhists and most followers of

>Shankara don't talk this way... To some extent, whichever way people go on

>this depends on temperament and aesthetics.

>

>

>I would agree with you Greg and add further that it also depends on the

>actual pragmatic Knowledge and Experience of different modes of

>consciousness, and seeing the underlying foundation (or lack of foundation)

>behind the nature of experience. Let us be very clear about this. Just

>because some one is an "Advaitin" does not mean they have Knowledge of the

>Self and can speak of it in any meaningful way (other than the usual quotes

>from scriptures).. Naturally such a person might indeed find the Buddhist

>notion of "Emptiness" to be depressing. And Just because someone calls

>him/her self a Buddhist does not imply an understanding of the true nature

>of Emptiness. So for such a person to suggest that Emptiness is a higher

>form of teaching than Sat-Chit-Ananda may just be an attempt to engage in

>the usual intellectual gymnastics. Advaitins and Buddhist at very high

>levels of spiritual attainment can differ in their views. At the very

>highest level, however, we see the merging of perspectives. The ones with

>the highest understanding are usually silent even when others create a

>commotion about the nature of Reality.

>

> My experience is that the Self as Sat-Chit-Ananda is Both the Fullness of

>Consciousness and the Total Emptiness from which all things originate. The

>two notions appear different only from the perspective of the mind which by

>nature is caught up in diversity. In the Knowledge of the Self, You are the

>Self. You are the Perceiver and the Perception and yet there is Absolutely

>Nothing to Perceive. You are the Emptiness from which you are born. If we go

>behind the feeling/awareness of the I AM, we can intuitively sense this.

>Holding on to this intuitive sense of Emptiness which can be seen/felt in

>the Present Beingness/Nowness and merging with it is a natural path for

>some.

>

>Love to all

>Harsha

>

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>All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is

Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality

of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to

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