Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 On 2/4/00 at 11:28 AM PhamDLuan wrote: [...] ¤(2) Zen preoccupies with the pre-awakening ¤while Dzogchen with the post-awakening. ¤Dzogchen requires the recognition of the ¤Primordial State right from the beginning. ¤Thus the role of a Dzogchen master is ¤extremely important because he introduces ¤the disciple to experience directly the ¤Primordial State. In the Ten Oxherding ¤Pictures of Zen, Dzogchen begins with the ¤... 10th picture! :-) The bar is too high, no? :-) ¤ ¤ ¤May all sentient beings recognize their Primordial State :-) ¤ ¤ ¤Namaste, ¤ ¤KKT Is there a history regarding the foundation of Dzogchen? Although it is possible that someone spontaneously recognizes the Primordial State, wouldn't this mean such a one will remain silent instead of founding Dzogchen? This founding would require several recognizers, recognizing each other and starting a discussion; an extremely rare event such a meeting would be... Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2000 Report Share Posted February 5, 2000 Dear Jan, << "Jan Barendrecht" <janb Is there a history regarding the foundation of Dzogchen? Although it is possible that someone spontaneously recognizes the Primordial State, wouldn't this mean such a one will remain silent instead of founding Dzogchen? This founding would require several recognizers, recognizing each other and starting a discussion; an extremely rare event such a meeting would be... Jan >> KKT: As I said in the previous post, Dzogchen teaching is found in two religious traditions in Tibet: the Bon religion and the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism. The two traditions have many lineages of Dzogchen masters perpetuated until today. The first HUMAN Dzogchen master is Garab Dorje. He was born 360 years after the Parinirvana of the Buddha in the country of Urgyan, which was situated to the north west of India. But it was the famous Padmasambhava who introduced Buddhism (and Dzogchen) in Tibet in the 8th century. The Dzogchen lineage of the Bon religion was introduced much earlier. Although Dzogchen has been transmitted through the culture of Tibet, one cannot say that Dzogchen is Tibetan. Because the Primordial State is omnipresent and everywhere, it has no nationality. One cannot even say that Dzogchen belongs to this planet Earth. There is a Tantra of Dzogchen that says that the Dzogchen teaching can be found in thirteen solar systems other than our own. Namaste, KKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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