Buddhist Void/Sunyat and Vedanta.

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Namaste All, Andrew,Gregg, NDS and HS, its on both?

 

Continuing with my post on the Buddhist void, Sunyata

I suppose?, and the Vedanta. I know in Buddhist

thought there are the 'absorptions, with different

modifications like bliss, etc. and then rising above

all these. Ending up with 'nothingness', and then

non-perception nor perception.

 

Well Vedanta admits to something similar with the five

sheaths and kosas and the states of waking, dreaming,

deep-sleep, and Turiya. (There are also different

levels of Samadhi, Samadhi not being exactly the same

as the same concept in Buddhism but nearer the

Dhyana.) So waking, and dreaming are really wrong

perception, and deep-sleep is non-perception. However

with non-perception we have the seed, as not being

awake to the true reality, which results in the other

states I suppose of wrong perception or an effect. So

ignorance causes the effect. So with deep-sleep there

is an absence of knowing.

 

I think that connection with the body/mind conceals

the 'real', knowledge or Vidya. In dreams the senses

cease to function , so everything is happening in the

'light', of the 'Self'. So whatever happens in dream

doesn't attract any karma for its due to previous good

and bad karma that the dream takes place. So anything

in a dream is not binding, also some dreams are past

lives, future lives, and astral travel. We know this

,for when we awake we don't take any responsibilities

for the happenings in a dream, or perhaps you don't

remember. There is an underlying consciousness to all

this, otherwise one wouldn't even be able to detach

from the last dream.

 

In dreamless sleep there is still a veil over our

consciousness, which makes it part of Saguna. That

is, the consciousness is awake but there is nothing

for it to know except nescience prevailing.

 

In Buddhism, as there are different 'absorptions',

there are some differences in the Vedanta. Coma,

Deep-sleep, Laya, and Yoga-Nidra, all sharing some

similarities, then the different Samadhis.

 

It is all about samskaras or impressions I suppose.

It is like a vibration is actually a subtle, kind of

lack of 'True Consciousness'; The more gross the

vibration the less the manifestation of this

Consciousness, and the greater the veil.

 

So is the vibration the lack of consciousness or

limitations or is the lack of consciousness the

vibration, a chicken or egg question, both veiled in

avarana and illusory anyway. Like a still ocean and

each ripple is the limitation, building up to an

individual wave/jiva. So lack of consciousness is

'movement', or the illusion of movement. However the

seed must still be in the Self for it returns after

pralaya or dissolution, as we return from deep-sleep.

 

In reality there is no ocean of Saguna Brahman only

the Nirguna Brahman, perhaps you can call this the

void or sunyata or moksha, or Turiya. However one

cannot even call it this for then it is modified and

thus Saguna.

 

As Pilate asked Jesus, " What is Truth?". Jesus didn't

answer for that was his answer, No modification, it is

above perception and non-perception. (Sat-Chit-Ananda

is a modification as well!)

 

In Vedanta there is the concept of 'God', with

attributes and also without attributes, which is the

ultimate Truth. I hope this isn't too confusing.

 

Love and Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.

 

 

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