Guest guest Posted February 7, 2000 Report Share Posted February 7, 2000 Namaste All, Dave et al, NDS and copy to HS Talking of what is death; Sankara says it is a separation from our desires or something similar to that. So it is a transition of consciousness that's all, a transition of where the consciousness focuses. In some past life experiences I observed 'my body die', several times, but it was like watching a silent movie.I also have been consciously 'out of body', but still on this plane, or close. However on number of occasions I have visited with people close to me, who have died. First of all I talked to them almost quite normally whilst they were on the Border Plane. Although they could move around so to speak. I won't go into much detail for I don't know how it will be received or its relevance to this list. On one occasion I was 'talking', with an Aunt who had passed over and she had visited some places we were talking about and returned with questions etc. After a few days, about a week of many conversations with me individually, with my daughter individually( My daughter is extremely sensitive and sees, and hears the spirits), and with us together, there was a change. She did not seem to answer me. So I went into a specific kind of meditation that I use on these occasions. I shall call it 'mind travel', as opposed to the popular astral travel, which is limited. I went looking for my Aunt and could not at first find her on the vital plane. I was passing misshapen ghoulies on the way, then I found her. She was hanging there dead with her mouth open, it was just her now useless vital form/shell. So now I knew that she had gone through the 'second death' and moved on. With some more, effort , I or my mind moved up to higher planes, which were quite blissful. I was looking for her and I suppose visualising her. I 'heard', her voice and she said that she didn't look like that, and it was my mind creating that construct to communicate with her. She was happy and in some kind of learning situation but it was above the lower planes where people take on forms similar to their last earthform. If one is a Christian there may be saints etc, other beliefs would have their own structures. According to mystic and psychic tradition when one dies, one immediately checks in with the Lord or Clear Light of consciousness. If one is able to recognise this then one merges and becomes liberated. Most have Karma that drags them down and they awake on the border plane, just above the material plane. They stay there for a time before moving up to their appropriate level of consciousness. Where they stay until their karma runs out and they take rebirth. I have done this a few times, when necessary but strangely, when I think about it, 'I', was there also, with these dead people, but I am not 'dead'. My ego consciousness was moving its focus out of my body to the planes where it needed to go. Being dead for most people means not coming back to the body at all. Luckily, if they are liberated then all the planes of consciousness dissolve for them. There is the Body, Mind and Soul; physical body, subtle body and causal body. On death the physical and subtle bodies disintegrate, but the causal body remains......the food sheath, life sheath and mind sheath are impermanent. The intelligence sheath and bliss sheath remain, unless one is liberated. Love and Om Namah Sivaya, Tony. Just my experience that's all. I had learned this mind-travel,or moving from this plane up to the above mind state, in India but that is another story. ===== http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/sanskritglos.htm ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real, THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light, MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality. OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace. Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2000 Report Share Posted February 7, 2000 Hello Tony, Your words made me want to translate one of my favourites french singer/poets "Do not sing death _________________ -Do not sing Death, it's a morbid subject The word brings a cold as soon as it is said The people of the "show-business", will predict you the "bide" It's a taboo subject... For cursed poets Death! Death! -I sing it and, right away, miracles of letters, It seems that Death is the sister of love The Death that is waiting for us, love that we call And if he(love) does not come, she(Death) will come always Death! Death! Mine will not have, as in the Larousse (dictionary) A skeleton, a shroud, in one hand a scythe But, girl of 20 years with red hair in a marrying veil, she will have what is needed Death Death... Big ocean eyes, an ingenuous voice The smile of a child on carmine lips, Soft, she will appease on her naked breasts My burned eyelid, my mouth in parchment Death Death... And do not go mix up the effect and the cause Death is relief, she knows that Times On a daily basis steal something from us The handfull of hair and the ivory of the tooth's Death Death... She is Euthanasia, the supreme nurse She comes in time to stop this game Near the wounded soldier in the mud In the old one chilled in his room without fire Death Death Time is the monstrous tic-tac of the watch Death, it's the infinite in its eternity But what appends to those that go to its door? As we win our lives, must we merit Death Death.... Death? " It is from Léo Férre. Not knowing french, it is one of those I would learn french for. Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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