Guest guest Posted February 8, 2000 Report Share Posted February 8, 2000 In a message dated 02/08/2000 4:34:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, aoclery writes: > The point being that the last step is with the Grace > of the Witness. Knowing what a king is doesn't make > one a king. There is nowhere to go without > praneaswara. Hi Tony.... thanks for your sharing of death processes... I've been enjoying reading your thread. Could you tell me about the word 'praneaswara' in laymans terms? Also, do you know anything about 'shaman's death'? Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2000 Report Share Posted February 8, 2000 Namaste All, (With death or movement of consciousness; In some cultures the shaman or yogi or teacher or whatever accompanies a pupil through the process by leaving his own body and travelling with the departing soul. This is another story though.) I have found that young people when they die have no confidence or desire to hang around, but wish to drop the ties very quickly. In a post today Jan mentioned that perception comes after the end of feeling or something like that. That is ultimately true with 'realisation', or samadhi, I feel. However one has to go beyond the dreamless state in order to do that. Even then 'feeling', which is really emotion is in fact our inner vital energy. The sense faculties have to be absorbed first into the vital energy. However the vital energy keeps moving although the person's consciousness may be in deep sleep or samadhi. How to stop the vital energy moving? There is still the seed of nescience hidden in the energy. Mind is energy, energy is feeling; Where is the seed? It is the ego waiting to claim all its samskaras when it wakes up. Its vibration, through attraction to same, claims ownership, from the common or universal mind, of its vibrations, where they have stayed, so John wakes up as John and not Mary. An indication all is one even in illusion. Consciousness withdraws and the little i, is witnessed by the big I. The consciousness withdraws into the universal mind but as it is dragging karma the universal is prevented from dissolving its own thought. If the little i is purified there is no karma to drag it down. So there is no point in its existence for it has nowhere to go or function unless it is a Buddha type or it waits for pralaya. In other words purification is the most the little i can do, the destruction of the little i is done by the big I. The point being that the last step is with the Grace of the Witness. Knowing what a king is doesn't make one a king. There is nowhere to go without praneaswara. It is very simple there is Nirguna , Saguna and the energy/prana/sakti. We can get to the energy so to speak, but we can only become Nirguna not Saguna. This is only with the Grace of Saguna. Feeling is necessary to the final moment before moksha. Bhaja Govindam said Sankara the Adwaitin, is what will help you at death. Just my opinions that's all, not preaching. Om Namah Sivaya, Tony. ===== http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/sanskritglos.htm ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real, THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light, MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality. OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace. Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2000 Report Share Posted February 8, 2000 LeTeegee wrote: > LeTeegee > > In a message dated 02/08/2000 4:34:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > aoclery writes: > > > The point being that the last step is with the Grace > > of the Witness. Knowing what a king is doesn't make > > one a king. There is nowhere to go without > > praneaswara. > > Hi Tony.... thanks for your sharing of death processes... I've been enjoying > reading your thread. Could you tell me about the word 'praneaswara' in > laymans terms? Also, do you know anything about 'shaman's death'? > > Love, > xxxtg Praneswara could be translated as the Lord of Prana or energy which guides the aspirant on the path through different states. Some call Her the Mother Divine, the Supreme Goddess, the Primal Energy of movement that rises from Self and then disappears into That without a trace, Revealing Her Self to be no different than That. The Self It Self. It matters not what name is given, Self, No Self, Emptiness, etc., in appearance of movement or without motion, Self has no foundation what so ever other than It Self. Love to all Harsha > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > eGroups' Valentine's Day Gift Guide - Shop Here Now: > <a href=" http://clickme./ad/SparksValentine4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------ > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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