Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 Namaste All, When Pilate asked Jesus, " What is Truth?", Jesus was silent. " The answer to most questions is the experience of the Self and this cannot be communicated verbally". Mathru Sri Sarada. " Mind will not kill the mind. Self has to kill the mind in the final stage. The Grace of the Guru,( Inner Guru), is quite essential to kill the mind. In the absence of this Grace one cannot kill the mind and realise the Self." Sri Lakshmana Swamy. In other words this is the last piece of the jigsaw that I put in different words. No amount of wordy intellectual roundabouts will do it. They may establish a thought of nonduality but that is still a thought.? Love and Om Namah Sivaya, Tony. ===== http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/sanskritglos.htm ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real, THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light, MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality. OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace. Talk to your friends online with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:01:57 -0800 (PST) Tony O'Clery <aoclery writes: > Tony O'Clery <aoclery > > Namaste All, > > When Pilate asked Jesus, " What is Truth?", Jesus was > silent. > > " The answer to most questions is the experience of > the Self and this cannot be communicated verbally". > Mathru Sri Sarada. > > " Mind will not kill the mind. Self has to kill the > mind in the final stage. The Grace of the Guru,( Inner > Guru), is quite essential to kill the mind. In the > absence of this Grace one cannot kill the mind and > realise the Self." Sri Lakshmana Swamy. > > In other words this is the last piece of the jigsaw > that I put in different words. No amount of wordy > intellectual roundabouts will do it. They may > establish a thought of nonduality but that is still a > thought.? > On what basis do you (apparently) assume that this so-called "last piece" is outside the ken of people you offhandedly label as "intellectual?" Have you somehow concluded that the actual experience of the so- called "Self" is some kind of exclusive bhakti franchise that cannot occur for/to non-bhaktas? http://come.to/realization http://www.atman.net/realization http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2000 Report Share Posted February 10, 2000 Tony O'Clery wrote: > > Tony O'Clery <aoclery > > Namaste All, > > When Pilate asked Jesus, " What is Truth?", Jesus was > silent. > > " The answer to most questions is the experience of > the Self and this cannot be communicated verbally". > Mathru Sri Sarada. > > " Mind will not kill the mind. Self has to kill the > mind in the final stage. The Grace of the Guru,( Inner > Guru), is quite essential to kill the mind. In the > absence of this Grace one cannot kill the mind and > realise the Self." Sri Lakshmana Swamy. > > In other words this is the last piece of the jigsaw > that I put in different words. No amount of wordy > intellectual roundabouts will do it. They may > establish a thought of nonduality but that is still a > thought.? > > Love and Om Namah Sivaya, Tony. > The Yoga Sutra (Patanjali) says; "The apparent causes of a transformation do not in fact bring it about,. They merely remove the obstacles to natural growth, as a farmer clears the ground for his crops." Radical passionate total self-inquiry is the only way, and it is ultimately silent, solitary simple steady attention, but there are lots of words and thoughts along the way. This is an e-mail list after all, words are the tools available here. Self is just here like the air, it doesn't need to be got to. It's not a matter of killing the mind, it's the mind surrendering willingly, dying while living, which takes trust and love. The mind must hear the call of Self, I don't know how that happens. Reading discussing and talking about it increase the likelyhood, like standing around in open fields during thunderstorms increase the likelyhood of being struck by lightning. love, andrew love, andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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