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On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:01:18 -0500 Greg Goode <goode writes:

> Greg Goode <goode

>

>

>

> Catherine Cardinal, Ph.D.

> _The_Ten_Commandments_of_Self-Esteem_

> Kansas City: Andrews McMeel Publishing, 1998

> ISBN: 0-8362-5196-2

>

> ======================

>

> I. Thou shalt not consort with people who make thee

> feel bad about thyself.

 

That'd make a lot folks into

instant hermits, don't you

agree? Not saying that's

necessarily a bad thing, of

course....

>

> II. Thou shalt cease trying to make sense out of

> crazy behavior.

 

Hmm, that sort of closes off

any sort of counseling as a

vocation, doesn't it?

>

> III. Thou shalt not keep company with those more

> dysfunctional than thyself.

 

...assuming that one is functional

enough to make a useful

comparison of dysfunctionalities.

>

> IV. Trust thy body all the days of thy life

> (thy mind doth fornicate with thee).

 

Bodies are often no more

trustworthy than minds.

Trust me on that....:-)

>

> V. Thou hast permission at all times to say "no,"

> to change thy mind, and to express thy true

> feelings.

 

This person has obviously

never had to find and keep

gainful employment in a

typical commercial or

institutional setting.

>

> VI. What is not right for thee is not right for

> thy brethren.

 

It is not right for me to

eat meat, can I now tell

my neighbors to quit their

barbeques next summer?

>

> VII. Thou shalt not give beyond thine own capacity.

 

As far as I can tell, there

is no limit to capacity, nor

does anyone "own" it!

>

> VIII. What thy brethren think of thee mattereth naught.

 

The jails and psych wards

are brimming with people who

feel this way, no?

>

> IX. Wherever thou art, therein also is the party.

 

*Now* we're talkin'! :-)

>

> X. Thou shalt sing thine own praises all the

> days of thy life.

>

> Number (VI) takes a bit of interpretation. She means that

> judgmental of

> myself, being a martyr, giving beyond my capacity, is not good me,

> and doesn't benefit others either.

>

IMO Dr. Cardinal's recommendations

require *a lot* of context to be

useful, Greg -- as a standalone

prescription, they fall down --

*hard.*

 

 

http://come.to/realization

http://www.atman.net/realization

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

 

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Hi Bruce:

 

I certainly would have preferred these 10 commandments to the ones I learned

from the good nuns. Perhaps these are coming from a more female perspective

because #'s 1, 2, 3, 5, 7,10 certainly have shaped much of my life and the

lives of many other women that I know.

 

Linda

 

 

> I. Thou shalt not consort with people who make thee

> feel bad about thyself.

 

That'd make a lot folks into

instant hermits, don't you

agree? Not saying that's

necessarily a bad thing, of

course....

>

> II. Thou shalt cease trying to make sense out of

> crazy behavior.

 

Hmm, that sort of closes off

any sort of counseling as a

vocation, doesn't it?

>

> III. Thou shalt not keep company with those more

> dysfunctional than thyself.

 

...assuming that one is functional

enough to make a useful

comparison of dysfunctionalities.

>

> IV. Trust thy body all the days of thy life

> (thy mind doth fornicate with thee).

 

Bodies are often no more

trustworthy than minds.

Trust me on that....:-)

>

> V. Thou hast permission at all times to say "no,"

> to change thy mind, and to express thy true

> feelings.

 

This person has obviously

never had to find and keep

gainful employment in a

typical commercial or

institutional setting.

>

> VI. What is not right for thee is not right for

> thy brethren.

 

It is not right for me to

eat meat, can I now tell

my neighbors to quit their

barbeques next summer?

>

> VII. Thou shalt not give beyond thine own capacity.

 

As far as I can tell, there

is no limit to capacity, nor

does anyone "own" it!

>

> VIII. What thy brethren think of thee mattereth naught.

 

The jails and psych wards

are brimming with people who

feel this way, no?

>

> IX. Wherever thou art, therein also is the party.

 

*Now* we're talkin'! :-)

>

> X. Thou shalt sing thine own praises all the

> days of thy life.

>

> Number (VI) takes a bit of interpretation. She means that

> judgmental of

> myself, being a martyr, giving beyond my capacity, is not good me,

> and doesn't benefit others either.

>

IMO Dr. Cardinal's recommendations

require *a lot* of context to be

useful, Greg -- as a standalone

prescription, they fall down --

*hard.*

 

 

http://come.to/realization

http://www.atman.net/realization

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

 

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perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

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Bruce Morgen wrote:

> Bruce Morgen <editor

>

> On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:01:18 -0500 Greg Goode <goode writes:

> > Greg Goode <goode

> >

> >

> >

> > Catherine Cardinal, Ph.D.

> > _The_Ten_Commandments_of_Self-Esteem_

> > Kansas City: Andrews McMeel Publishing, 1998

> > ISBN: 0-8362-5196-2

> >

> > ======================

> >

> > I. Thou shalt not consort with people who make thee

> > feel bad about thyself.

>

> That'd make a lot folks into

> instant hermits, don't you

> agree? Not saying that's

> necessarily a bad thing, of

> course....

> >

> > II. Thou shalt cease trying to make sense out of

> > crazy behavior.

>

> Hmm, that sort of closes off

> any sort of counseling as a

> vocation, doesn't it?

> >

> > III. Thou shalt not keep company with those more

> > dysfunctional than thyself.

>

> ..assuming that one is functional

> enough to make a useful

> comparison of dysfunctionalities.

> >

> > IV. Trust thy body all the days of thy life

> > (thy mind doth fornicate with thee).

>

> Bodies are often no more

> trustworthy than minds.

> Trust me on that....:-)

> >

> > V. Thou hast permission at all times to say "no,"

> > to change thy mind, and to express thy true

> > feelings.

>

> This person has obviously

> never had to find and keep

> gainful employment in a

> typical commercial or

> institutional setting.

> >

> > VI. What is not right for thee is not right for

> > thy brethren.

>

> It is not right for me to

> eat meat, can I now tell

> my neighbors to quit their

> barbeques next summer?

> >

> > VII. Thou shalt not give beyond thine own capacity.

>

> As far as I can tell, there

> is no limit to capacity, nor

> does anyone "own" it!

> >

> > VIII. What thy brethren think of thee mattereth naught.

>

> The jails and psych wards

> are brimming with people who

> feel this way, no?

> >

> > IX. Wherever thou art, therein also is the party.

>

> *Now* we're talkin'! :-)

> >

> > X. Thou shalt sing thine own praises all the

> > days of thy life.

> >

> > Number (VI) takes a bit of interpretation. She means that

> > judgmental of

> > myself, being a martyr, giving beyond my capacity, is not good me,

> > and doesn't benefit others either.

> >

> IMO Dr. Cardinal's recommendations

> require *a lot* of context to be

> useful, Greg -- as a standalone

> prescription, they fall down --

> *hard.*

>

>

 

That is pretty funny Bruceji. I think Danji will find your comment on number 2

to be particularly relevant! :--).

 

Harsha

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:18:51 -0500 "Linda Callanan"

<shastra writes:

> "Linda Callanan" <shastra

>

> Hi Bruce:

>

> I certainly would have preferred these 10 commandments to the ones I

> learned

> from the good nuns.

 

Those are best looked at

as descriptive rather

the prescriptive -- a

depiction of some of the

signs of a realized

person manifesting

intrinsic morality rather

than a recipe for a

righteous life.

> Perhaps these are coming from a more female perspective

> because #'s 1, 2, 3, 5, 7,10 certainly have shaped much of my life

> and the lives of many other women that I know.

 

I don't notice any particular

gender bias, but maybe that

reflects my gender bias. :-)

 

I voiced my misgivings

about them as a standalone

prescription, if some of them

work well for you, perhaps

your life and those of "many

other women" have provided

the appropriate context --

what do you think?

>

> Linda

>

Thanks for your comments.

 

Much love -- Bruce

>

>

> > I. Thou shalt not consort with people who make thee

> > feel bad about thyself.

>

> That'd make a lot folks into

> instant hermits, don't you

> agree? Not saying that's

> necessarily a bad thing, of

> course....

> >

> > II. Thou shalt cease trying to make sense out of

> > crazy behavior.

>

> Hmm, that sort of closes off

> any sort of counseling as a

> vocation, doesn't it?

> >

> > III. Thou shalt not keep company with those more

> > dysfunctional than thyself.

>

> ..assuming that one is functional

> enough to make a useful

> comparison of dysfunctionalities.

> >

> > IV. Trust thy body all the days of thy life

> > (thy mind doth fornicate with thee).

>

> Bodies are often no more

> trustworthy than minds.

> Trust me on that....:-)

> >

> > V. Thou hast permission at all times to say "no,"

> > to change thy mind, and to express thy true

> > feelings.

>

> This person has obviously

> never had to find and keep

> gainful employment in a

> typical commercial or

> institutional setting.

> >

> > VI. What is not right for thee is not right for

> > thy brethren.

>

> It is not right for me to

> eat meat, can I now tell

> my neighbors to quit their

> barbeques next summer?

> >

> > VII. Thou shalt not give beyond thine own capacity.

>

> As far as I can tell, there

> is no limit to capacity, nor

> does anyone "own" it!

> >

> > VIII. What thy brethren think of thee mattereth naught.

>

> The jails and psych wards

> are brimming with people who

> feel this way, no?

> >

> > IX. Wherever thou art, therein also is the party.

>

> *Now* we're talkin'! :-)

> >

> > X. Thou shalt sing thine own praises all the

> > days of thy life.

> >

> > Number (VI) takes a bit of interpretation. She means that

> > judgmental of

> > myself, being a martyr, giving beyond my capacity, is not good me,

> > and doesn't benefit others either.

> >

> IMO Dr. Cardinal's recommendations

> require *a lot* of context to be

> useful, Greg -- as a standalone

> prescription, they fall down --

> *hard.*

>

>

> http://come.to/realization

> http://www.atman.net/realization

> http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

> http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

>

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> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

> subside

> back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

> different than

> the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

> Awareness.

> Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home.

> Home is

> where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of

> Eternal

> Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

> spontaneously

> arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

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> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

> subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

> different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of

> the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is

> always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know

> the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

> relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from

> within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

 

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Hello Bruce:

 

As I work on my 'intro' I realize just how much my life does give 'context'

to the commandments of self-esteem. While they may not be a stand-alone

prescription I do think that had I had some of them in place 25 years

ago.....well, maybe I've learned a lot but I'm not convinced that I couldn't

have learned something through having more joy in my life.

 

The phrase 'stand alone prescription' has stayed with me throughout the day

and I wonder if there is such a piece of wisdom. For where I am right now

the 'prescription' to take the time to sit, breathe and observe what is

happening will bring me back to awareness so I would say that is a

stand-alone prescription. It occurs to me that this tacit is not so far

removed from a child being told to pray but many misplace that bit of wisdom

by the time adulthood is reached.

 

Once a person is firmly on a conscious path of spiritual growth there

probably are many prescriptions that will do....however, the 10 commandments

of self-esteem are geared towards a more psychological approach to life.

Perhaps 'prescriptions' can 'stand-alone' only within a specific framework

or stage of life?

 

I would be interested in knowing if you have any further thoughts to share

on appropriate 'stand-alones'.

 

Namaste,

Linda

 

 

 

> Perhaps these are coming from a more female perspective

> because #'s 1, 2, 3, 5, 7,10 certainly have shaped much of my life

> and the lives of many other women that I know.

 

I don't notice any particular

gender bias, but maybe that

reflects my gender bias. :-)

 

I voiced my misgivings

about them as a standalone

prescription, if some of them

work well for you, perhaps

your life and those of "many

other women" have provided

the appropriate context --

what do you think?

>

> Linda

>

Thanks for your comments.

 

Much love -- Bruce

>

>

> > I. Thou shalt not consort with people who make thee

> > feel bad about thyself.

>

> That'd make a lot folks into

> instant hermits, don't you

> agree? Not saying that's

> necessarily a bad thing, of

> course....

> >

> > II. Thou shalt cease trying to make sense out of

> > crazy behavior.

>

> Hmm, that sort of closes off

> any sort of counseling as a

> vocation, doesn't it?

> >

> > III. Thou shalt not keep company with those more

> > dysfunctional than thyself.

>

> ..assuming that one is functional

> enough to make a useful

> comparison of dysfunctionalities.

> >

> > IV. Trust thy body all the days of thy life

> > (thy mind doth fornicate with thee).

>

> Bodies are often no more

> trustworthy than minds.

> Trust me on that....:-)

> >

> > V. Thou hast permission at all times to say "no,"

> > to change thy mind, and to express thy true

> > feelings.

>

> This person has obviously

> never had to find and keep

> gainful employment in a

> typical commercial or

> institutional setting.

> >

> > VI. What is not right for thee is not right for

> > thy brethren.

>

> It is not right for me to

> eat meat, can I now tell

> my neighbors to quit their

> barbeques next summer?

> >

> > VII. Thou shalt not give beyond thine own capacity.

>

> As far as I can tell, there

> is no limit to capacity, nor

> does anyone "own" it!

> >

> > VIII. What thy brethren think of thee mattereth naught.

>

> The jails and psych wards

> are brimming with people who

> feel this way, no?

> >

> > IX. Wherever thou art, therein also is the party.

>

> *Now* we're talkin'! :-)

> >

> > X. Thou shalt sing thine own praises all the

> > days of thy life.

> >

> > Number (VI) takes a bit of interpretation. She means that

> > judgmental of

> > myself, being a martyr, giving beyond my capacity, is not good me,

> > and doesn't benefit others either.

> >

> IMO Dr. Cardinal's recommendations

> require *a lot* of context to be

> useful, Greg -- as a standalone

> prescription, they fall down --

> *hard.*

>

>

> http://come.to/realization

> http://www.atman.net/realization

> http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm

> http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm

>

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> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

> subside

> back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

> different than

> the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

> Awareness.

> Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home.

> Home is

> where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of

> Eternal

> Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

> spontaneously

> arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

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> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

> subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

> different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of

> the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is

> always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know

> the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee

> relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from

> within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

 

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back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

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Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

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On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:32:10 -0500 "Linda Callanan"

<shastra writes:

> "Linda Callanan" <shastra

>

> Hello Bruce:

>

> As I work on my 'intro' I realize just how much my life does give

> 'context'

> to the commandments of self-esteem. While they may not be a

> stand-alone

> prescription I do think that had I had some of them in place 25 years

> ago.....well, maybe I've learned a lot but I'm not convinced that I

> couldn't have learned something through having more joy in my life.

 

Hindsight is always

20-20, isn't it? :-)

>

> The phrase 'stand alone prescription' has stayed with me throughout

> the day and I wonder if there is such a piece of wisdom.

 

Me too!

> For where I am right now

> the 'prescription' to take the time to sit, breathe and observe what

> is happening will bring me back to awareness so I would say that is a

> stand-alone prescription.

 

Yeah, the ones that work

stand-alone tend to be

very simple, with little

or nothing in the way of

situational qualifiers.

> It occurs to me that this tacit is not so far

> removed from a child being told to pray but many misplace that bit

> of wisdom by the time adulthood is reached.

 

Unfortunately, for many a

child, "being told to

pray" is an unnatural

imposition replete with

adult assumptions --

foremost among them for

the childish edition of

yours truly was the

association with the

stern, often wrathful

God of the Torah. This

"King Of The Universe"

found Moses himself

unworthy to cross into

Canaan, what else would a

child pray for to such an

entity other than the

mercy denied to the

nominal author of the

Torah itself! How far

such tightly focused self-

interest seems from the

surrender of "take the

time to sit, breathe and

observe what is happening!"

I wish my religious school

instructors had told me

something that simple and

implication-free!

>

> Once a person is firmly on a conscious path of spiritual growth there

> probably are many prescriptions that will do....however, the 10

> commandments

> of self-esteem are geared towards a more psychological approach to

> life. Perhaps 'prescriptions' can 'stand-alone' only within a specific

> framework or stage of life?

 

Yes, that is exactly what I

was getting at when I cited

the need for "context" for

the vast majority of

prescriptives.

>

> I would be interested in knowing if you have any further thoughts to

> share on appropriate 'stand-alones'.

 

Done -- thanks for your

interest, Linda.

>

> Namaste,

> Linda

>

Much love -- Bruce

>

>

>

> > Perhaps these are coming from a more female perspective

> > because #'s 1, 2, 3, 5, 7,10 certainly have shaped much of my life

> > and the lives of many other women that I know.

>

> I don't notice any particular

> gender bias, but maybe that

> reflects my gender bias. :-)

>

> I voiced my misgivings

> about them as a standalone

> prescription, if some of them

> work well for you, perhaps

> your life and those of "many

> other women" have provided

> the appropriate context --

> what do you think?

> >

> > Linda

> >

> Thanks for your comments.

>

> Much love -- Bruce

>

> >

> >

> > > I. Thou shalt not consort with people who make thee

> > > feel bad about thyself.

> >

> > That'd make a lot folks into

> > instant hermits, don't you

> > agree? Not saying that's

> > necessarily a bad thing, of

> > course....

> > >

> > > II. Thou shalt cease trying to make sense out of

> > > crazy behavior.

> >

> > Hmm, that sort of closes off

> > any sort of counseling as a

> > vocation, doesn't it?

> > >

> > > III. Thou shalt not keep company with those more

> > > dysfunctional than thyself.

> >

> > ..assuming that one is functional

> > enough to make a useful

> > comparison of dysfunctionalities.

> > >

> > > IV. Trust thy body all the days of thy life

> > > (thy mind doth fornicate with thee).

> >

> > Bodies are often no more

> > trustworthy than minds.

> > Trust me on that....:-)

> > >

> > > V. Thou hast permission at all times to say "no,"

> > > to change thy mind, and to express thy true

> > > feelings.

> >

> > This person has obviously

> > never had to find and keep

> > gainful employment in a

> > typical commercial or

> > institutional setting.

> > >

> > > VI. What is not right for thee is not right for

> > > thy brethren.

> >

> > It is not right for me to

> > eat meat, can I now tell

> > my neighbors to quit their

> > barbeques next summer?

> > >

> > > VII. Thou shalt not give beyond thine own capacity.

> >

> > As far as I can tell, there

> > is no limit to capacity, nor

> > does anyone "own" it!

> > >

> > > VIII. What thy brethren think of thee mattereth naught.

> >

> > The jails and psych wards

> > are brimming with people who

> > feel this way, no?

> > >

> > > IX. Wherever thou art, therein also is the party.

> >

> > *Now* we're talkin'! :-)

> > >

> > > X. Thou shalt sing thine own praises all the

> > > days of thy life.

> > >

> > > Number (VI) takes a bit of interpretation. She means that

> > > judgmental of

> > > myself, being a martyr, giving beyond my capacity, is not good

> me,

> > > and doesn't benefit others either.

> > >

> > IMO Dr. Cardinal's recommendations

> > require *a lot* of context to be

> > useful, Greg -- as a standalone

> > prescription, they fall down --

> > *hard.*

> >

 

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On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:32:10 -0500 "Linda Callanan"

<shastra writes:

> "Linda Callanan" <shastra

>

> Hello Bruce:

>

> As I work on my 'intro' I realize just how much my life does give

> 'context'

> to the commandments of self-esteem. While they may not be a

> stand-alone

> prescription I do think that had I had some of them in place 25 years

> ago.....well, maybe I've learned a lot but I'm not convinced that I

> couldn't have learned something through having more joy in my life.

 

Hindsight is always

20-20, isn't it? :-)

>

> The phrase 'stand alone prescription' has stayed with me throughout

> the day and I wonder if there is such a piece of wisdom.

 

Me too!

> For where I am right now

> the 'prescription' to take the time to sit, breathe and observe what

> is happening will bring me back to awareness so I would say that is a

> stand-alone prescription.

 

Yeah, the ones that work

stand-alone tend to be

very simple, with little

or nothing in the way of

situational qualifiers.

> It occurs to me that this tacit is not so far

> removed from a child being told to pray but many misplace that bit

> of wisdom by the time adulthood is reached.

 

Unfortunately, for many a

child, "being told to

pray" is an unnatural

imposition replete with

adult assumptions --

foremost among them for

the childish edition of

yours truly was the

association with the

stern, often wrathful

God of the Torah. This

"King Of The Universe"

found Moses himself

unworthy to cross into

Canaan, what else would a

child pray for to such an

entity other than the

mercy denied to the

nominal author of the

Torah itself! How far

such tightly focused self-

interest seems from the

surrender of "take the

time to sit, breathe and

observe what is happening!"

I wish my religious school

instructors had told me

something that simple and

implication-free!

>

> Once a person is firmly on a conscious path of spiritual growth there

> probably are many prescriptions that will do....however, the 10

> commandments

> of self-esteem are geared towards a more psychological approach to

> life. Perhaps 'prescriptions' can 'stand-alone' only within a specific

> framework or stage of life?

 

Yes, that is exactly what I

was getting at when I cited

the need for "context" with

the vast majority of

behavioral prescriptives.

>

> I would be interested in knowing if you have any further thoughts to

> share on appropriate 'stand-alones'.

 

Done -- thanks for your

interest, Linda.

>

> Namaste,

> Linda

>

Much love -- Bruce

>

>

>

> > Perhaps these are coming from a more female perspective

> > because #'s 1, 2, 3, 5, 7,10 certainly have shaped much of my life

> > and the lives of many other women that I know.

>

> I don't notice any particular

> gender bias, but maybe that

> reflects my gender bias. :-)

>

> I voiced my misgivings

> about them as a standalone

> prescription, if some of them

> work well for you, perhaps

> your life and those of "many

> other women" have provided

> the appropriate context --

> what do you think?

> >

> > Linda

> >

> Thanks for your comments.

>

> Much love -- Bruce

>

> >

> >

> > > I. Thou shalt not consort with people who make thee

> > > feel bad about thyself.

> >

> > That'd make a lot folks into

> > instant hermits, don't you

> > agree? Not saying that's

> > necessarily a bad thing, of

> > course....

> > >

> > > II. Thou shalt cease trying to make sense out of

> > > crazy behavior.

> >

> > Hmm, that sort of closes off

> > any sort of counseling as a

> > vocation, doesn't it?

> > >

> > > III. Thou shalt not keep company with those more

> > > dysfunctional than thyself.

> >

> > ..assuming that one is functional

> > enough to make a useful

> > comparison of dysfunctionalities.

> > >

> > > IV. Trust thy body all the days of thy life

> > > (thy mind doth fornicate with thee).

> >

> > Bodies are often no more

> > trustworthy than minds.

> > Trust me on that....:-)

> > >

> > > V. Thou hast permission at all times to say "no,"

> > > to change thy mind, and to express thy true

> > > feelings.

> >

> > This person has obviously

> > never had to find and keep

> > gainful employment in a

> > typical commercial or

> > institutional setting.

> > >

> > > VI. What is not right for thee is not right for

> > > thy brethren.

> >

> > It is not right for me to

> > eat meat, can I now tell

> > my neighbors to quit their

> > barbeques next summer?

> > >

> > > VII. Thou shalt not give beyond thine own capacity.

> >

> > As far as I can tell, there

> > is no limit to capacity, nor

> > does anyone "own" it!

> > >

> > > VIII. What thy brethren think of thee mattereth naught.

> >

> > The jails and psych wards

> > are brimming with people who

> > feel this way, no?

> > >

> > > IX. Wherever thou art, therein also is the party.

> >

> > *Now* we're talkin'! :-)

> > >

> > > X. Thou shalt sing thine own praises all the

> > > days of thy life.

> > >

> > > Number (VI) takes a bit of interpretation. She means that

> > > judgmental of

> > > myself, being a martyr, giving beyond my capacity, is not good

> me,

> > > and doesn't benefit others either.

> > >

> > IMO Dr. Cardinal's recommendations

> > require *a lot* of context to be

> > useful, Greg -- as a standalone

> > prescription, they fall down --

> > *hard.*

> >

 

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