Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Speaking of no head above my own, this old post of Harsha's seems relevant to me. Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) <hluthar < > Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:30 AM (no subject) >"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar > >Be gentle and easy with yourself and others in awareness. That is >meditation. Our strengths do not raise us above anyone. Our shortcomings do >not diminish our True Nature. The steadiness of awareness and balance is a >gift of Satsanga. In the company of good and wise people who know the nature >of reality, the ego gradually loses its hold and pure awareness reveals >itself as the eternal presence. > >Harsha > > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >ONElist: the best place to EXPLORE topics, SHARE ideas, and >CONNECT to people with the same interests. > >------ >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. The Radical Truth is Radiance of Awareness. It is Total Independence and Ever Present. The Truth needs no psychological or spiritual crutches. It needs no philosophy, no religion, no explanation, no teaching, and no teacher, and yet It is always their support. A true devotee relishes in the Truth. The Truth of Self-Knowledge which is Pure Intelligence. Welcome all to a. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 > "Gloria Lee" <glee > > Speaking of no head above my own, this old post of Harsha's seems relevant to > me. > > > Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) <hluthar > < > > Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:30 AM > (no subject) > > > >"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar > > > >Be gentle and easy with yourself and others in awareness. That is > >meditation. Our strengths do not raise us above anyone. Our shortcomings do > >not diminish our True Nature. The steadiness of awareness and balance is a > >gift of Satsanga. In the company of good and wise people who know the nature > >of reality, the ego gradually loses its hold and pure awareness reveals > >itself as the eternal presence. > > > >Harsha > > Thank you for posting this, Glo. "...The steadiness of awareness and balance is a gift of Satsangha...." Beautiful. A dear heart from this list sent me a video tape of Gangaji's, and I just watched it. It was my first 'visual' satsang. In it she spoke of viligance. Vigilance meaning attending to 'What Is' and the importance of constantly, day in and day out, fixing one's attention on 'What Is'. I hear this. And I'm wondering, Harsha.... how to do this and at the same time watch my world crumble? How to do this and cry all these tears? A part of me says, "sink into it...all the way", while another says "focus on your true nature". still divided, Melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Thanks Gloria. You are the greatest because you have fantastic judgment. You know quality when you see it and we love you for it! With Love Harsha Gloria Lee wrote: > "Gloria Lee" <glee > > Speaking of no head above my own, this old post of Harsha's seems relevant to > me. > > >"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar > > > >Be gentle and easy with yourself and others in awareness. That is > >meditation. Our strengths do not raise us above anyone. Our shortcomings do > >not diminish our True Nature. The steadiness of awareness and balance is a > >gift of Satsanga. In the company of good and wise people who know the nature > >of reality, the ego gradually loses its hold and pure awareness reveals > >itself as the eternal presence. > > > >Harsha > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Melody wrote: > Thank you for posting this, Glo. > > "...The steadiness of awareness and balance is a gift of Satsangha...." > > Beautiful. > > A dear heart from this list sent me a video tape of Gangaji's, and > I just watched it. It was my first 'visual' satsang. > > In it she spoke of viligance. Vigilance meaning attending to 'What Is' > and the importance of constantly, day in and day out, fixing one's > attention on 'What Is'. > > I hear this. And I'm wondering, Harsha.... how to do this and at the > same time watch my world crumble? How to do this and cry all these > tears? A part of me says, "sink into it...all the way", while another > says "focus on your true nature". > > still divided, > Melody > Hi Melody. I am not exactly sure what you are asking. I would like to request that Dan, Tony, Robert, Xan, Kristi, Gloria, Antoine, Greg, Dharma, Linda, Zenbob, Gen, Luan, David, Dirk, Rainbo (God there are so many here and I can't remember everyone right now!) or one of the other wise people speak to you on this. There are many good and wonderful people and I think there is a collective goodness here which can be healing and helpful to you. At least, that is my hope for everyone. Earlier, I caught a glimpse of Tony Robbins on Larry King Live. I thought, this guy's energy and philosophy of motivation might be very good for a lot of people. Have you ever watched Tony Robbins. He is so totally positive! I think it is good to be around good and positive people. Well, it is a lot better than being around the bad and negative ones. Everyone has the right to be in a positive and supportive atmosphere. Either one must create it or find it. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 Hi Melody, >> > I hear this. And I'm wondering, Harsha.... how to do this and at the >> > same time watch my world crumble? How to do this and cry all these >> > tears? A part of me says, "sink into it...all the way", while another >> > says "focus on your true nature". Maybe I missed some posts... I don't know what your trouble is... whether you're depressed... or whether bad things are happening in your life. Do you feel like talking about it? >I do miss feeling positive. Feeling happy. I'd like to feel that way.... >to lighten up and have some fun. But I can't find it. I just can't find >it. It's like that glass floor Kristi was talking about the other day >on Jerry's list. I look up and see people laughing, feeling good and >having fun....but I can't get to it. > >I think that funny little old massage therapist may be saying what >I need to hear...if I feel like crying, wallowing in sorrow....just do >it. Do it until I'm sick of it, and haven't another tear to cry. Makes sense to me! One time when I was in college, there was an on-going situation, and I didn't know how it would turn out... I couldn't stop thinking about it... I was worrying all the time. So my room-mate said, "You'd better set a Worry Time." "Oh c'mon," I said. "This is serious." "I know," she said. "If you set a Worry Time - say, at 7:00 - then at 7:00 you can give it your undivided attention. Just sit down and worry as hard as you can for half an hour. Then set the next Worry Time. And go on with other things... you'll know you have another Worry Time coming up." So I tried it, and it worked! At Worry Time I worried as hard as I possibly could for half an hour. And then I was able to do other things... when I started to think of the situation, I remembered that I had another Worry Time coming soon. To tell you the truth, I'm not sure I could have worried as hard as I could for much more than half an hour. About that time, I really had to have a break from it. Nobody can be worrying or feeling tragic all the time. Once, when I knew a friend's husband was dying after a long illness, I called her and invited her out to dinner. She said, "What would people think?" I said, "Don't worry about it. You need a break, and then you can go back and you'll be in better shape to help him." So we went out to dinner... had a couple of glasses of wine... talked and laughed. She felt very guilty to be having a good time while her husband was dying. But I told her it's just human... nobody can be tragic all the time... you've got to have some relief from it. So she relaxed and enjoyed herself. >> > ...A part of me says, "sink into it...all the way", while another >> > says "focus on your true nature". I don't think it has to be an either/or. Would it work to set a Crying Time? And at that time just sit down and be as sad as possible and cry as much as you can for half an hour... and then set the next Crying Time? Maybe in between, you could set a Meditation Time, to focus on your true nature. But if that doesn't work for a little while, it doesn't matter... your true nature isn't going to go away. You are always who you are. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 > > I hear this. And I'm wondering, Harsha.... how to do this and at the > > same time watch my world crumble? How to do this and cry all these > > tears? A part of me says, "sink into it...all the way", while another > > says "focus on your true nature". > > > > still divided, > > Melody > > > > Hi Melody. I am not exactly sure what you are asking. I would like to request that Dan, Tony, Robert, Xan, Kristi, Gloria, Antoine, Greg, Dharma, Linda, Zenbob, Gen, Luan, David, Dirk, Rainbo (God there are so many here and I can't remember everyone right now!) or one of the other wise people speak to you on this. There are many good and wonderful people and I think there is a collective goodness here which can be healing and helpful to you. You're right, Harsha. There are. And one of them shared a story with me privately that was really helpful....that said just what I needed to be reminded of: "Several years ago ......, a very funny little old massage therapist/ counselor told me what I needed to was graze. Have I already told this story? Hope not, here goes anyway. Anyway, she said, "Graze, you know, go out, get on your hands and knees in a garden and eat broccoli from the plant and nibble on tomatoes." I told her she was nuts. She said "lighten up!" Don't take food so seriously. If you want to eat Oreos, go out and buy 17 boxes and eat Oreos! I promise soon your body will want broccoli. And then eat broccoli. Graze, have fun, be silly, lighten up!" That was a turning point for me. Do what you want to do. Then what you want may change. Fight yourself and you are in a battle for life." I know there's a lot of truth in this. And what you say about Tony Robbins, Harsha, makes sense to me, too. I do miss feeling positive. Feeling happy. I'd like to feel that way.... to lighten up and have some fun. But I can't find it. I just can't find it. It's like that glass floor Kristi was talking about the other day on Jerry's list. I look up and see people laughing, feeling good and having fun....but I can't get to it. I think that funny little old massage therapist may be saying what I need to hear...if I feel like crying, wallowing in sorrow....just do it. Do it until I'm sick of it, and haven't another tear to cry. Melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 >"Melody" <melody > >> > I hear this. And I'm wondering, Harsha.... how to do this and at the >> > same time watch my world crumble? How to do this and cry all these >> > tears? A part of me says, "sink into it...all the way", while another >> > says "focus on your true nature". >> > >> > still divided, >> > Melody >> > >> >> Hi Melody. I am not exactly sure what you are asking. I would like to >request that Dan, Tony, Robert, Xan, Kristi, Gloria, Antoine, Greg, Dharma, >Linda, Zenbob, Gen, Luan, David, Dirk, Rainbo (God there are so many here >and I can't remember everyone right now!) or one of the other wise people >speak to you on this. There are many good and wonderful people and I think >there is a collective goodness here which can be healing and helpful to you. > > >You're right, Harsha. There are. And one of them shared a story >with me privately that was really helpful....that said just what I needed >to be reminded of: > >"Several years ago ......, a very funny little old massage therapist/ >counselor told me what I needed to was graze. > > Have I already told this story? Hope not, here goes anyway. >Anyway, she said, "Graze, you know, go out, get on your hands and knees in a >garden and eat broccoli from the plant and nibble on tomatoes." I told her >she was nuts. She said "lighten up!" Don't take food so seriously. If you >want to eat Oreos, go out and buy 17 boxes and eat Oreos! I promise soon >your body will want broccoli. And then eat broccoli. Graze, have fun, be >silly, lighten up!" That was a turning point for me. Do what you want to do. >Then what you want may change. Fight yourself and you are in a battle for >life." > >I know there's a lot of truth in this. > >And what you say about Tony Robbins, Harsha, makes sense to me, too. > >I do miss feeling positive. Feeling happy. I'd like to feel that way.... >to lighten up and have some fun. But I can't find it. I just can't find >it. It's like that glass floor Kristi was talking about the other day >on Jerry's list. I look up and see people laughing, feeling good and >having fun....but I can't get to it. > >I think that funny little old massage therapist may be saying what >I need to hear...if I feel like crying, wallowing in sorrow....just do >it. Do it until I'm sick of it, and haven't another tear to cry. > >Melody > Dear Melody, Your post over on NDS quoted all those sayings of Jesus on the cross like "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." Reminded me of another one Jesus said, " Into Thy hands I commit my spirit." You know how I do this sometimes Melody? When it's all simply too much for me, I become a child and crawl into God's lap for comfort. You are God's child at any age. You cannot fall so far into any grief or sorrow that God's arms will not be there to catch you and hold you. So cry if you must, and cry until you feel His arms, until you have cast all your cares on Him. Do you know how many of the psalms are truly lamentations? Wallow with some of them..they are good company in times of sorrow. "My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?" is the first line of Psalm 22...so Jesus was perhaps also taking comfort with these very words, as they invoke the whole messianic psalm which predicted his suffering and the salvation it will offer to all. The mystery of this love crucified, the Jesus who was "a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief," is only matched by the quietness of the resurrection. He walks along the road talking with two of the women for some time before they recognize him. He cooks some fish for breakfast on the lake shore, he shows up for dinner one night. It was all so low key and private and then he just said see you later and went home. Just come on home, Melody.. With love, Glo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 In a message dated 02/12/2000 4:42:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, melody writes: > I hear this. And I'm wondering, Harsha.... how to do this and at the > same time watch my world crumble? How to do this and cry all these > tears? A part of me says, "sink into it...all the way", while another > says "focus on your true nature". You are thinking that your *true nature* is not the same as what you are afraid you will sink into? NOT Sink all the way, into your True Nature. There is no where you are not. Melody, you have been such a light and inspiration to me, and I'm sure many others. I adore your honesty and your looking for the goodness in all things, even in the midst of chaos. Seeing your words light up the board(s) we look at upon our screens, always makes me smile, no matter what your words are. You were my first thought of how inspiration breeds inspiration, and it is something I will never forget. I thank you for this from the bottom of my heart. You ARE inspiration to me! Much Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 On 2/12/00 at 10:26 PM Melody wrote: ¤> > I hear this. And I'm wondering, Harsha.... how to do this and at the ¤> > same time watch my world crumble? How to do this and cry all these ¤> > tears? A part of me says, "sink into it...all the way", while another ¤> > says "focus on your true nature". ¤> > ¤> > still divided, ¤> > Melody ¤> > ¤> ¤> Hi Melody. I am not exactly sure what you are asking. I would like to ¤request that Dan, Tony, Robert, Xan, Kristi, Gloria, Antoine, Greg, Dharma, ¤Linda, Zenbob, Gen, Luan, David, Dirk, Rainbo (God there are so many here ¤and I can't remember everyone right now!) or one of the other wise people ¤speak to you on this. There are many good and wonderful people and I think ¤there is a collective goodness here which can be healing and helpful to you. ¤ ¤ ¤You're right, Harsha. There are. And one of them shared a story ¤with me privately that was really helpful....that said just what I needed ¤to be reminded of: ¤ ¤"Several years ago ......, a very funny little old massage therapist/ ¤counselor told me what I needed to was graze. ¤ ¤ Have I already told this story? Hope not, here goes anyway. ¤Anyway, she said, "Graze, you know, go out, get on your hands and knees in a ¤garden and eat broccoli from the plant and nibble on tomatoes." I told her ¤she was nuts. She said "lighten up!" Don't take food so seriously. If you ¤want to eat Oreos, go out and buy 17 boxes and eat Oreos! I promise soon ¤your body will want broccoli. And then eat broccoli. Graze, have fun, be ¤silly, lighten up!" That was a turning point for me. Do what you want to do. ¤Then what you want may change. Fight yourself and you are in a battle for ¤life." ¤ ¤I know there's a lot of truth in this. Certainly, it could be summarized with "moderateness can kill"; knowing the limits experientially is most useful. It has to do with "Oneness" that can only be experienced when "going to the limit" as did Hiranyakashipu, the founder of Samrambha yoga (yoga of hatred). His abiding hatred of the divine finally led to liberation ¤ ¤And what you say about Tony Robbins, Harsha, makes sense to me, too. ¤ ¤I do miss feeling positive. Feeling happy. I'd like to feel that way.... ¤to lighten up and have some fun. But I can't find it. I just can't find ¤it. It's like that glass floor Kristi was talking about the other day ¤on Jerry's list. I look up and see people laughing, feeling good and ¤having fun....but I can't get to it. The senses can be very deluding. Here in "holiday paradise", people are seen laughing and having fun too. Yet the minds are "dark" and back at home, the fun is over. Unless one can see the mind or the effects of a "dark mind" on the body, know that pleasure and pain are the extremes of the same pendulum... ¤I think that funny little old massage therapist may be saying what ¤I need to hear...if I feel like crying, wallowing in sorrow....just do ¤it. Do it until I'm sick of it, and haven't another tear to cry. ¤ ¤Melody For some, surrender has to be translated with "don't resist" or "don't allow separation". Some natural hygienists, confronted with people giving junk food to their children, taught their children the effects of junk food, by allowing them to binge on it for a day and the next day the children were either sick or feeling miserable, unable to play any game. It was far more effective than preaching or explaining Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 Hello Melody: Perhaps the tears are washing away the divide. I know that you are in pain and fear right now but tears can work wonders as they are actively working to remove what stands between your mind and your self. Sometimes if we do not try so hard to figure it all out, don't try so hard to stop the pain it hurts much less. Whatever feelings and thoughts are beneath those tears effect your day to day life in unconscious ways and cause other challenges such as illness, dysfunctional relationships etc., etc. Maybe as tough as these seems the tears are the tears of grace. On a more practical level try not to be concerned with what you should be feeling, what you think you are missing or what you should be doing. Maybe giving yourself the time and space to be emotionally 'under the weather' gives you the space to pamper yourself a bit....drink your favorite tea, eat the best cookies or rent your favorite movie....I've found that like cures like and will generally go for a tear jerker. Love and peace, Linda ----- >A dear heart from this list sent me a video tape of Gangaji's, and >I just watched it. It was my first 'visual' satsang. >In it she spoke of viligance. Vigilance meaning attending to 'What >Is' >and the importance of constantly, day in and day out, fixing one's >attention on 'What Is'. >I hear this. And I'm wondering, Harsha.... how to do this and at the >same time watch my world crumble? How to do this and cry all >these >tears? A part of me says, "sink into it...all the way", while another >says "focus on your true nature". >still divided, >Melody --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at <a href=" http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative1 ">Click Here</a> ------ All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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