Guest guest Posted February 14, 2000 Report Share Posted February 14, 2000 Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:24:18 -0500 "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd Re: Tony/thought >Tony: [snip] Thought will not destroy itself, >ultimately it shrinks >from destruction. So something other than >intellectualising is obviously necessary. Dan - Thanks, Tony for sharing your thoughts about the ending of thought. While worthwhile to look into this topic, if we rely on thought to look at thought, the games of thought will be perpetuated. So we open to something else - and that something else has no name. Tony, thought isn't merely intellectualizing, that's only one of myriad manifestations. Thought is involved in the very structuring of the cells of the human body. <snip> Hi Dan Would you care/or not to expand on thought and structuring of human cells? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2000 Report Share Posted February 14, 2000 Whats wrong with "thoughts?" Fixation of self on thought causes suffering - but thoughts arising and dissolving on their own? how different from the arising of bird song, clouds moving across the sky, taste of chocolate, smell of coffee.....I was going to go on about thoughts but now sitting here looking for them, can't find any - isn't that always the way. joyce >>Tony: [snip] Thought will not destroy itself, >>ultimately it shrinks >>from destruction. So something other than >>intellectualising is obviously necessary. > > Dan - Thanks, Tony for sharing your thoughts about > the ending of thought. While worthwhile > to look into this topic, if we rely > on thought to look at thought, the games > of thought will be perpetuated. So we > open to something else - and that something > else has no name. > > Tony, thought isn't merely intellectualizing, > that's only one of myriad manifestations. > Thought is involved in the very structuring > of the cells of the human body. > > <snip> > > Hi Dan > > Would you care/or not to expand on thought and structuring > of human cells? > > John > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > <a href=" http://clickme./ad/NextcardCreative4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------ > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of > Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is > Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality > of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, > spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2000 Report Share Posted February 14, 2000 Joyce Short wrote: > "Joyce Short" <insight > > Whats wrong with "thoughts?" Fixation of self on thought causes suffering - > but thoughts arising and dissolving on their own? how different from the > arising of bird song, clouds moving across the sky, taste of chocolate, > smell of coffee.....I was going to go on about thoughts but now sitting here > looking for them, can't find any - isn't that always the way. joyce > > Thanks for making this point Joyce. Thoughts are arising automatically in the background of the mind. Just like a printer is printing that which has been sent to it by the computer. This is a fact and can be experienced clearly in meditation. The automatic arising of thoughts. Thoughts have power when identified with only. I believe this point of view, when understood and brought into practice has immense implications for psychological well being as well. But it is not a disassociation with pain and pleasure as many seem to believe. It is indeed a very fine and a subtle balance arising naturally in the course of reflection, introspection, and self-enquiry. According to Yogic Psychology, the nature of mind is inherently turbulent due to the working of the three Gunas. Therefore with clear vision and insight one should Immediately Recognize one's own nature as not different from the Ultimate Reality. In that compassion, one has embraced the entirety of the Being of Cosmos, being not different from it. Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2000 Report Share Posted February 14, 2000 Please remove me from the mailing list. The email address is either djohnson <djohnson or djohnson <djohnson Thank you Darrell Johnson Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) [hluthar] Monday, February 14, 2000 6:58 AM Re: Dan/thought "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar Joyce Short wrote: "Joyce Short" <insight Whats wrong with "thoughts?" Fixation of self on thought causes suffering - but thoughts arising and dissolving on their own? how different from the arising of bird song, clouds moving across the sky, taste of chocolate, smell of coffee.....I was going to go on about thoughts but now sitting here looking for them, can't find any - isn't that always the way. joyce <//> Thanks for making this point Joyce. Thoughts are arising automatically in the background of the mind. Just like a printer is printing that which has been sent to it by the computer. This is a fact and can be experienced clearly in meditation. The automatic arising of thoughts. Thoughts have power when identified with only. I believe this point of view, when understood and brought into practice has immense implications for psychological well being as well. But it is not a disassociation with pain and pleasure as many seem to believe. It is indeed a very fine and a subtle balance arising naturally in the course of reflection, introspection, and self-enquiry. According to Yogic Psychology, the nature of mind is inherently turbulent due to the working of the three Gunas. Therefore with clear vision and insight one should Immediately Recognize one's own nature as not different from the Ultimate Reality. In that compassion, one has embraced the entirety of the Being of Cosmos, being not different from it. Harsha _____ <http://adforce.imgis.com/?adlink|2.0|2|82038|1|1|misc=7413;loc=300;> ONElist Sponsor Please click above to support our sponsor _____ All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. // <//> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2000 Report Share Posted February 14, 2000 This is very nice Harsha. For me there was for a long time various belief systems operating as obscurations such as how could "I" - ordinary, uneducated, not a very good person etc etc. ever encounter something called "Ultimate Reality" with its capital letters, which always seemed remote and distant, "High" where I was "low" - brilliant where I was dim, pure where I was impure etc. Apparently this is a particularily western glitch as our conditioning includes the self-hatred of not ever being "good enough" (with attendent thinking of being better than everyone) This took years of looking at before it dissolved although it still pops up. I never found this kind of obstacle, this kind of egoism, when I practiced with non westeners in Asian countries. Joyce ---- Thoughts are arising automatically in the background of the mind. Just like a printer is printing that which has been sent to it by the computer. This is a fact and can be experienced clearly in meditation. The automatic arising of thoughts. Thoughts have power when identified with only. I believe this point of view, when understood and brought into practice has immense implications for psychological well being as well. But it is not a disassociation with pain and pleasure as many seem to believe. It is indeed a very fine and a subtle balance arising naturally in the course of reflection, introspection, and self-enquiry. According to Yogic Psychology, the nature of mind is inherently turbulent due to the working of the three Gunas. Therefore with clear vision and insight one should Immediately Recognize one's own nature as not different from the Ultimate Reality. In that compassion, one has embraced the entirety of the Being of Cosmos, being not different from it. Harsha ---------- Please click above to support our sponsor ---------- All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. // Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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