Satsangh

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

Dharma mentioned that:

 

But it's a big list, and there's room for all kinds of people. I

usually avoid these kinds of discussions completely... they all sound

alike after a while. Same old same old...

 

~ I wonder how much room there is on this list for all kinds of people. There

must be very many people out there, not participating actively by writing and

sharing their realities, and the question should be asked why not?

 

I have found that so often these kind of discussion groups get dominated by a

few active participants who's interaction leaves little room for genuine

experimentation, risk taking and mutual exploration. There are those who know,

or feel themselves to know, and they take center-stage, and there are those who

very often simply feel too intimidated, or bored by all the goings on, to voice

their understanding of things.

 

For me Satsangh should first of all be a place where we can feel safe to

explore. It must be a place where we can go and present ourselves to our fellow

travellers knowing that we will not be hammered down with a barrage of

'ultimate' statements about truth, Truth and TRUTH, which very often show scant

regard for the subtle difficulties each one of us may experience along our own

path of self-exploration.

 

This safe place for exploration should in no way deminish our acute awareness

that the path is treacherous and the mind is a formidable protector of its own

imagery. So I am not proposing a loving atmospere where safety is mistaken for

sloppyness. Rather, in an atmospere of love, where we all realise that we are

to some degree or another part of the same human dilemma, we could be critical,

knowing the profound worth of having friends around who are willing and prepared

to help us in our own quest for truth.

 

In Satsangh the emphasis is on work in progress. Even if have all agreed on

what ultimate reality is, the one simple question still remains: Why do our

lives not reflect the elegance of the freedom from ordinary circumstances of

life. What is it in us, and what do we do which prevent the ACTUALISATION of

That which we can so non-chalantly describe, but fail to BE.

 

This Satsangh will die in the morass of intellectualism if we do not actively

keep it alive through our HUMANNESS, SHARING AND MUTUAL EXPLORATION. We are the

very path we must walk. There is no path out there which can lead us from

darkness to light. We ARE the darkness and in helping one another to reveal

this darkness to our deepest being, the darkness may soon begin to dissipate in

the clarity of our own understanding, insight and being.

 

Love to all,

 

Moller

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your thoughts, Moller, I've had a few of the same ones myself.

For some time now I've had a preoccupation with that magical intersection

where the time meets the timeless, the particular meets the universal, the

manifest meets the unmanifest. In my life it shows up (among many ways) in

my participation in this list and in my study of curanderismo, which is a

ritualistic, shamanistic, but ultimately non-dual approach to healing. This

list itself of course also reveals moments when the unmanifest can be seen

out of the corner of the eye. I think angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin

conversations can be just as divine in source as heart-to-heart ones -- think

of mathematics, for example, which some hear as the voice of God. The

difficulty is that we're conditioned to revere intellect and dismiss feeling

so feeling-types (often women) tend to go silent in the presence of

intellect-types (often men). There is room for everybody if we all speak up,

as you did.

 

Now getting back to this magical intersection. I saw the movie "Straight

Story" yesterday which is one of the few I've seen ("Strangers In Good

Company" is another one) where intellect is gently put aside so that God can

shine through people's humble faces. Glimpsing the unmanifest in another

human being moves me more than anything I can think of. In films and in

life, the unmanifest seems to be most visible when people are at their most

human. We get awfully human on this list which makes me as happy as it

sometimes irritates me! When I look at people this way, enlightenment seems

so simple and inevitable, I imagine it happens thousands of times a day, all

over the world, to all different kinds of people, and the only problem is

that we forget, because we don't want to be human. Thanks for the invitation

to ramble, Holly

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02/24/2000 6:11:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

glee writes:

> I hear the voice of God in this beauty around me. How do you

> hear it? Anyone?

 

 

Through friends like you.

 

My best friend from high school and I are complete opposites. For fun, we'll

go furniture or knicknack shopping... I'll pick out THE ugliest thing I see

and just know she will love it... she always does! Then she'll pick out the

ugliest thing she sees, knowing I will love it! (I do) We'll do this all

day. Sooo much fun, finding even how differences can be endearing and full

of love. She also drags me to these boooorrrring environmental county

meetings, but they are sooo much fun, as I get such a kick watching how

passionate and excited she gets over all of what I have no understanding (nor

desire to understand) at all.

 

Yep... friends definitely are Godsent.

 

Almost a grannie (due this week!)..... never experienced a grandchild yet,

but the feeling of awaiting him is so unbelievable! Definitely a gift by

God.

 

Much Love,

xxxtg

[Guest guest]

At 06:24 PM 2/24/00 -0500, Gloria Lee wrote:

>that this gift of consciousness has other uses than just thinking. If only I

>could bring this peace here to satsangh and share this with everyone..one

day of

>such happiness. I hear the voice of God in this beauty around me. How do you

>hear it? Anyone?

>

>With love,

>Glo

 

Loud and clear! Thank you!

 

Love,

 

--Greg

[Guest guest]

>Hbarrett47

>

>Thank you for your thoughts, Moller, I've had a few of the same ones myself.

>For some time now I've had a preoccupation with that magical intersection

>where the time meets the timeless, the particular meets the universal, the

>manifest meets the unmanifest. In my life it shows up (among many ways) in

>my participation in this list and in my study of curanderismo, which is a

>ritualistic, shamanistic, but ultimately non-dual approach to healing. This

>list itself of course also reveals moments when the unmanifest can be seen

>out of the corner of the eye. I think angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin

>conversations can be just as divine in source as heart-to-heart ones -- think

>of mathematics, for example, which some hear as the voice of God. The

>difficulty is that we're conditioned to revere intellect and dismiss feeling

>so feeling-types (often women) tend to go silent in the presence of

>intellect-types (often men). There is room for everybody if we all speak up,

>as you did.

>

>Now getting back to this magical intersection. I saw the movie "Straight

>Story" yesterday which is one of the few I've seen ("Strangers In Good

>Company" is another one) where intellect is gently put aside so that God can

>shine through people's humble faces. Glimpsing the unmanifest in another

>human being moves me more than anything I can think of. In films and in

>life, the unmanifest seems to be most visible when people are at their most

>human. We get awfully human on this list which makes me as happy as it

>sometimes irritates me! When I look at people this way, enlightenment seems

>so simple and inevitable, I imagine it happens thousands of times a day, all

>over the world, to all different kinds of people, and the only problem is

>that we forget, because we don't want to be human. Thanks for the invitation

>to ramble, Holly

>

>

Dear Holly and Moller,

 

Thank you both for bringing such important issues to our attention. I am all for

the multiplicity of expression! Tho I read the sometimes intellectual posts with

an appreciation for their clarity, I seem to have lost the will to make such an

effort, if I ever had it. Today is one of a rare warmth in the midst of winter,

the deer pass slowly by the edge of the yard almost every morning as I watch

them from the window during breakfast. The cat watches the birds at the window

feeder. Canadian geese honk from the nearby quarry, cows graze in the nearby

field. The taste of a well ripened plum as juice drips down my chin. To sit

outside and read a novel in February with balmy fresh breezes blowing! All day I

have been feeling such blessedness and joy in being alive and sharing this

living with so many creatures around me in peace and contentment. It does seem

that this gift of consciousness has other uses than just thinking. If only I

could bring this peace here to satsangh and share this with everyone..one day of

such happiness. I hear the voice of God in this beauty around me. How do you

hear it? Anyone?

 

With love,

Glo

[Guest guest]

J M de la Rouviere wrote:

> For me Satsangh should first of all be a place where we can feel safe

> to explore. It must be a place where we can go and present ourselves

> to our fellow travellers knowing that we will not be hammered down

> with a barrage of 'ultimate' statements about truth, Truth and TRUTH,

> which very often show scant regard for the subtle difficulties each

> one of us may experience along our own path of self-exploration. This

> safe place for exploration should in no way deminish our acute

> awareness that the path is treacherous and the mind is a formidable

> protector of its own imagery. So I am not proposing a loving

> atmospere where safety is mistaken for sloppyness. Rather, in an

> atmospere of love, where we all realise that we are to some degree or

> another part of the same human dilemma, we could be critical, knowing

> the profound worth of having friends around who are willing and

> prepared to help us in our own quest for truth. In Satsangh the

> emphasis is on work in progress. Even if have all agreed on what

> ultimate reality is, the one simple question still remains: Why do our

> lives not reflect the elegance of the freedom from ordinary

> circumstances of life. What is it in us, and what do we do which

> prevent the ACTUALISATION of That which we can so non-chalantly

> describe, but fail to BE. This Satsangh will die in the morass of

> intellectualism if we do not actively keep it alive through our

> HUMANNESS, SHARING AND MUTUAL EXPLORATION. We are the very path we

> must walk. There is no path out there which can lead us from darkness

> to light. We ARE the darkness and in helping one another to reveal

> this darkness to our deepest being, the darkness may soon begin to

> dissipate in the clarity of our own understanding, insight and

> being. Love to all, Moller

>

> Thanks Moller for stating it so well.

>

> Love Harsha

[Guest guest]

> Dear Holly and Moller,

>

> Thank you both for bringing such important issues to our attention. I am all

for

> the multiplicity of expression! Tho I read the sometimes intellectual posts

with

> an appreciation for their clarity, I seem to have lost the will to make such

an

> effort, if I ever had it. Today is one of a rare warmth in the midst of

winter,

> the deer pass slowly by the edge of the yard almost every morning as I watch

> them from the window during breakfast. The cat watches the birds at the window

> feeder. Canadian geese honk from the nearby quarry, cows graze in the nearby

> field. The taste of a well ripened plum as juice drips down my chin. To sit

> outside and read a novel in February with balmy fresh breezes blowing! All day

I

> have been feeling such blessedness and joy in being alive and sharing this

> living with so many creatures around me in peace and contentment. It does seem

> that this gift of consciousness has other uses than just thinking. If only I

> could bring this peace here to satsangh and share this with everyone..one day

of

> such happiness. I hear the voice of God in this beauty around me. How do you

> hear it? Anyone?

>

> With love,

> Glo

 

We hear God's beauty in your voice Gloria. Please do bring your peace to this

Satsangh and share it with us so that we may know that peace in us as well.

 

Harsha