Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Oops! I misspelled the name! --------- Forwarded message ---------- "Charles H. Kropf" <Carolus3 ADEPT_ONES , allspirit , Carolus3 , christiansandgurus , GHAZALEH, HarshaSatsang , MaretateAdultsRoom Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:27:26 -0600 [carolus3] Experience Message-ID: <20000220.222748.-67881.10.Carolus3 "Charles H. Kropf" <Carolus3 I hear a lot of people talking About things that come to their minds, And I wonder. . . They say they have read a book And have studied the ancient texts. They say they have looked at things And determined their nature, All this, because they read a book. And because of this they are instant experts, Authorities over things read from a book! But have they truly experienced any of those things Which they have read about in their precious textbook? Is their expertise based upon what someone, In their learnéd oppinion, has told them? One can be an expert over nothing in truth Until he has experienced it himself! How can we know God if we just read Of all the things He did in the days of the Bible? How can we understand a rock by the way If we do not pick it up and handle it? To do otherwise is not true Science; To do otherwise is not true Religion. How oft do we speak of the Beloved and hold Him At arms length as if we were beholding an apple Looking for something wrong with it? We say He is beautiful, like the apple. What good is the apple to us If we don’t eat it and allow it to nourish us? And so. . .how may we experience God If we do not embrace Him and allow The Beloved to become our Beloved? We must answer the invitation, “Come and dine.” Namaste, ~ Charles http://members.aol.com/obebejane/peace1.htm /community/Carolus3 ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------ Tired of missing calls while online? Now you can surf the Internet without worrying about missing important calls! CallWave's FREE Internet Answering Machine lets you hear who's calling while online. http://click./1/1927/5/_/673407/_/951608354/ ------ Post message: carolus3 Subscribe: carolus3- Un: carolus3- List owner: carolus3-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/carolus3 ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Dear Harsha, I would agree with you that if one does not know about God, it is needful to either be told about Him or to read something about Him. Paul put it like this, and I paraphrase, "How will one know about the Gospel if God does not send a Messenger?" In the early days of the Christ Path we had Jesus, but even He referred people to the older Hebrew Scriptures and to the true teachers of the Way. So I cannot deny the need in my own life for the Bible, nor for those teachers who encouraged me to come to the place where I am now. There comes a time in our lives, it seems, that we get so caught up in the Message we presently carry, that we forget how we got there. We forget the aids we used to need to help us along the Way, and sometimes we even take them for granted. This happens to me upon occasion, and God is good enough to send me loving reminders that I am not so high and mighty as I seem to think I am. The only remedy for this, it seems to me, is to adjust my thinking, even as a pilot must upon occasion adjust his flight path, or as a musician must tune his instrument. That is why we need one another. . .so that we can keep ourselves on the true and living Middle Path of Balance and Rest in Him. I remember one of my teachers telling me once, "Don't get lost in the sauce." Its easier to do than people think, especially if they have had to pursue Truth with very little help. Most of my teachers, while being good and upright Christians, have not understood the way I am given to walk, and rather that fuss with them, I had to go on my way. But in this I have found that other people are sometimes good sounding boards for what we are feeling, and this helps us stay in touch with Divine Reality as well as physical reality. So now, I am thankful that you have reminded me of this in such a beautiful way. Namaste, ~ Charles I submit to the Will of my Beloved in all things, For this is what I truly will! ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2000 Report Share Posted February 21, 2000 Dear Harsha, The God of my heart is the Divine Part that is within me, about which I was formed. I used to see God as being something seperate from my own being, a Supreme Being, as it were. But then it dawned upon me that I was unable to find anywhere in the Bible where God was described as a Being at all. It, in fact, describes God as anything but a being. God is Love; God is a consumming Fire; God is a Spirit; Spirit is Truth, etc., lead me to conclude that God was the pure essence of Life that indwells all beings and, in fact, all Creation. I do not deny that God can manifest as a Supreme Being, but I have come to understand that He is greater than any being could be, and that even the term "God" seemed a limitation. And Power that indwells all Creation has got to be unspeakably awesome, yet because He is so interconnected with all things, He is within us. To me, the most powerful part of being human is the Divine Part, the God part, Christ, My Beloved. Namaste, ~ Charles ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2000 Report Share Posted February 27, 2000 Dear Charles, The points you make are well taken. I for one have already agreed with you on many of the things you have alerted us about in some of my recent postings. You mention the following: And so. . .how may we experience God If we do not embrace Him and allow The Beloved to become our Beloved? ~ In view of your own statements about the futility and emptiness of mistaking reading as a source of true understanding, have you not read ABOUT the God you use as the point of departure in your own spiritual journey in a BOOK called the Bible? Had you never read this book, would you have been able to make the above statement about knowing and embracing God? What is the nature of this character god in the play you have written for yourself? Love , Moller Charles H. Kropf <Carolus3 < > 27 February 2000 02:16 Fw: [carolus3] Experience "Charles H. Kropf" <Carolus3 Oops! I misspelled the name! --------- Forwarded message ---------- "Charles H. Kropf" <Carolus3 ADEPT_ONES , allspirit , Carolus3 , christiansandgurus , GHAZALEH, HarshaSatsang , MaretateAdultsRoom Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:27:26 -0600 [carolus3] Experience Message-ID: <20000220.222748.-67881.10.Carolus3 "Charles H. Kropf" <Carolus3 I hear a lot of people talking About things that come to their minds, And I wonder. . . They say they have read a book And have studied the ancient texts. They say they have looked at things And determined their nature, All this, because they read a book. And because of this they are instant experts, Authorities over things read from a book! But have they truly experienced any of those things Which they have read about in their precious textbook? Is their expertise based upon what someone, In their learnéd oppinion, has told them? One can be an expert over nothing in truth Until he has experienced it himself! How can we know God if we just read Of all the things He did in the days of the Bible? How can we understand a rock by the way If we do not pick it up and handle it? To do otherwise is not true Science; To do otherwise is not true Religion. How oft do we speak of the Beloved and hold Him At arms length as if we were beholding an apple Looking for something wrong with it? We say He is beautiful, like the apple. What good is the apple to us If we don’t eat it and allow it to nourish us? We must answer the invitation, “Come and dine.” Namaste, ~ Charles http://members.aol.com/obebejane/peace1.htm /community/Carolus3 ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------ Tired of missing calls while online? Now you can surf the Internet without worrying about missing important calls! CallWave's FREE Internet Answering Machine lets you hear who's calling while online. http://click./1/1927/5/_/673407/_/951608354/ ------ Post message: carolus3 Subscribe: carolus3- Un: carolus3- List owner: carolus3-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/carolus3 ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click./1/915/2/_/520931/_/951610572/ ------ // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 well put Charles i couldnt agree with you more at present im trying to crash thru barrier of seperateness with creator during meditation. It doesnt make any sense that something (creation & soul) created by god out of spirit can be of any other composition exept God. Its still challenging to intuitively KNOW that instead of just saying i know it. good luck peace from zero >"Charles H. Kropf" <Carolus3 > > >Re: Fw: [carolus3] Experience >Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:51:05 -0600 > >"Charles H. Kropf" <Carolus3 > >Dear Harsha, > >The God of my heart is the Divine Part that is within me, about which I >was formed. I used to see God as being something seperate from my own >being, a Supreme Being, as it were. But then it dawned upon me that I was >unable to find anywhere in the Bible where God was described as a Being >at all. It, in fact, describes God as anything but a being. God is Love; >God is a consumming Fire; God is a Spirit; Spirit is Truth, etc., lead me >to conclude that God was the pure essence of Life that indwells all >beings and, in fact, all Creation. I do not deny that God can manifest as >a Supreme Being, but I have come to understand that He is greater than >any being could be, and that even the term "God" seemed a limitation. And >Power that indwells all Creation has got to be unspeakably awesome, yet >because He is so interconnected with all things, He is within us. To me, >the most powerful part of being human is the Divine Part, the God part, >Christ, My Beloved. > >Namaste, > >~ Charles >______________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >------ >Shop the web for great deals. Save on Computers, >electronics, Home furnishings and more. >http://click./1/1559/2/_/520931/_/951698981/ >------ > >// > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, >perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside >back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than >the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of >Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is >Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality >of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, >spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to >a. > >To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from >the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your >subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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