Joyce/Here

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At 07:51 PM 2/27/00 -0500, you wrote:

>"Joyce Short" <insight

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>>>>>> D: The "true subject" is no-subject, is omnipresent and

nonlocal.

>>>> All apparent objects then arise and depart without anything arising

>>>> or departing, in and as awareness, with no identifiable subject

>>>> anywhere

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>Question: by "no-subject, omnipresent and nonlocal" do you mean awareness?

 

The true subject is the Unknown knower who is not a knower.

>which is definately an interesting subject (really object) for contemplation

>but I can't see how in contemplation you can have a "true" subject and a

>"false" one.

 

I don't either. The false is the projected, the image.

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> "The false is seen as false only now, only as nonembededness

>>>> is experientially truth."

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> Question: Isnt this "false" now "identifiable - I mean, you just

> identified something as "false" as other than "true" and thus dual,

>- seems like an object of a subject to me....with all sorts of judgments

>being made about it. Is this "falseness" separate from awareness? You make

>this sound rather solid. "Who" is experiencing truth as "nonembeddedness?"

 

I don't know.

>"Conditions attach not?" You mean, everything is impermanent?

 

What is this "everything" that is impermanent?

 

>With respect, this does sound pretty but it also sounds like rhetoric. Sort

>of Marharshi-like and Nisargadatta-ish. Im curious, what does this have to

>do with self-investigation for you? How did you arrive at this conclusion

>in your own personal process? The actual questions asked would be

>interesting.

 

Only from who I am.

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> Do you believe that some events can be separate from the Whole and

>therefore not in harmnoy with it? - that the Eternal is somehow beyond this

>world? I guess Ill have to qualify that and ask about your world not this

>world.

 

Beliefs aren't important Here. Following how reality

is assumed and projected, and how assumptions can be questioned

is important.

 

D.